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Yelp!! My 'new' 245 is an environmental disaster!!! 200

I mentioned gas smell as a problem. Now, It's much worse.

maybe gallons are being spewed into the environment. This car should not be operated. I need to fix asap. Most of fuel seems to be coming from top of tank. This is my second 245. Both have a very difficult to get through seal over gas tank. I need to break through it to investigate top of tank and lines coming (and leaking) there. Haynes manual shows it as simple to open. NOT So! A very resistant to prying sticky pad is over the metal bottom of storage dept needed to be gone through to get to tank top. What is this substance? Considering I can't use any sort of grinder, metal cutting tool etc as their lot of fumes beniegh this alleged access panel, How do I get through this mess to get to the tank???

a.s.a.p. any help is needed before I go nuts and rent another car for another expensive week and get a tow truck to haul this environmental disaster away....just the ground pollution is enough to consider. We have a well and the latest gasoline additives are more toxic than ever.








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    Yelp!! My 'new' 245 is an environmental disaster!!! 200

    dave...........daughter's '87 did this last year.....there were some small rusted out holes in the top of the tank.........have also seen rusted out tubes coming out of the fuel sender/pump unit..............i know it's been a little chilly lately, so driveway repairs may not be doable........jim carlson (swedish pit).in south burl.....found me a good used tank for not too much.......good luck..........j.
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    3 and 1/2 volvos in the driveway.....








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    Yelp!! My 'new' 245 is an environmental disaster!!! 200

    I would be interested to know what are those latest toxic additives?
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    David Hunter








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      Yelp!! My 'new' 245 is an environmental disaster!!! 200

      additives that help gasoline burn better and more efficiently.....but in the gasoline itself before burning are actually much more toxic than the gasoline itself..

      so bad that all mechanics (if their young enough to have children) now wear latex in order to avoid a new, more toxic gasoline...

      thank, petro guys. in trying to save the envionment they put something more toxic...I don't remember the exact chemical...but several states attorney's are suing the petro companies for groundwater pollution of cancerous additives that just go everywhere.

      remember petro guys put Lead into gasoline for a profit...producing an air pollutant which makes people stupid enough to buy ever more gasoline.








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        Yelp!! My 'new' 245 is an environmental disaster!!! 200

        The additive is MTBE. The energy bill the Bush administration is pushing has a provision that would protect petroleum companies from lawsuits over environmental or health problems stemming from the chemical.

        Steve M.

        Raleigh, NC

        73 145
        84 240








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          MTBE, what, why, and have you had enough yet? 200

          Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ethylene or MTBE
          Is a fuel oxygenating addative up to 15% by volume in gasoline, and reduces fuel economy by a bit less than that. It cost us millions to phase in, many millions more to phase out, and could cost billions to clean up if somone can figure out how. Bush says the survivors will learn to live with teh taste and turpentine odor.


          the highlights:

          FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARD: Highly flammable liquid. Evaporates readily. Vapour is heavier than air and can form explosive mixtures with air.
          HEALTH HAZARD: Irritating to skin. Vapour irritates the eyes and the respiratory tract. High concentrations may produce nausea headache and narcotic effects. Prolonged or repeated contact causes drying and irritation of the skin. Aspiration of product into the lungs can cause fatal chemical pneumonitis.
          ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD: Not readily biodegradable. Risk of soil and ground water
          contamination.


          The USEPA has not established drinking water standards for MTBE. In December 1997 the USEPA issued a "Drinking Water Advisory" for MTBE of 20 to 40 micrograms per liter (µg/L), primarily for taste and odor considerations. Based on present knowledge, USEPA believes that this provides a wide margin of safety.

          Gasoline with MTBE can also contaminate large amounts of water; 1 gallon of reformulated gasoline mixed with 4 million gallons of water will yield 20 µg/L MTBE in the water (Squillace and others, 1997.)

          MTBE does not biodegrade easily under various environmental conditions. If a research investigation determines that a compound does not degrade, a half-life is not reported and the compound is simply classified as recalcitrant. MTBE is generally reported as recalcitrant and there are no widely accepted estimates of the half-life. Investigators have reported that MTBE is recalcitrant in anaerobic laboratory studies including denitrifying conditions, sulfate-reducing conditions, methanogenic-reducing conditions, and anaerobic conditions in landfill-affected aquifer material, soils, and sludges (Fujiwara and others, 1984; Jensen and Arvin, 1990; Yeh and Novak, 1991, 1994; Suflita and Mormile, 1993; Mormile and others, 1994). Yeh and Novak (1995) also reported that there was no degradation of MTBE in an aerobic laboratory study after more than 100 days of incubation. Nevertheless, degradation of MTBE has been reported on occasion and this indicates that some microorganisms are able to degrade MTBE (Thomas and others, 1988; Daniel, 1995). The degradation of MTBE in ground water can lead to the formation of tert-butyl alcohol, which can cause some carcinogenic activity in laboratory animals (Cirvello and others, 1995).

          On March 25, 1999, Governor Gray Davis released Executive Order D-5-99 that ordered the removal of the additive MTBE (Methyl Tertiary-Butyl Ether) from California gasoline at the earliest possible date, but no later than December 31, 2002.

          On March 15, 2002, the Governor issued a new Executive Order and announced a one-year extension to the phase out of MTBE. "Under the newly announced timeline, the MTBE phaseout will be accomplished no later than December 31, 2003. Individual refineries have may continue to make the transition to ethanol earlier than December 2003 if they determine it is feasible and will not risk supply shortages or price spikes."

          Learn more:


          http://www.dnr.state.mo.us/mtbe/homemtbe.htm
          Missouri Department of Natural Resources---speaks in plain english

          http://www.cleanestwater.com/news/MTBEMethyl%20Tert%20Butyl%20Ether-1-20-2003.asp
          From a water filterers perspective

          http://www.energy.ca.gov/mtbe/
          Energy Commission MTBE Study

          http://www.the-innovation-group.com/ChemProfiles/MTBE.htm
          who makes MTBE, and how much

          http://ca.water.usgs.gov/mtbe/fs20396/
          How it spreads in water

          http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/~ahg/pubs/Atmos02.pdf
          How it spreads in air---very science vocabulary intense

          http://www.efoa.org/mtbe/pdf/appendix17.pdf
          the EFOA MSDS, change appendix# for more pages








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            MTBE, what, why, and have you had enough yet? 200

            Thanks, This is valuable information and shows the crimiality inherent in many of the actions of petroleum companies. Should be a political issue...and seeing that this stuff is many times more dangerous than gasoline itself is....disgusting.

            blame the victim:

            naturally we'll be told to buy a new car every 5 years of less to solve this problem....








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          Yelp!! My 'new' 245 is an environmental disaster!!! 200

          MTBE. California banned it a few years ago due to the fact that its toxic and was showing up in the water supply of Lake Tahoe. The manufacturer, a Canadian based company, sued the state of California for approx $1 Billion USD and won due to a section in the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) that allows this to happen known as Chapter 11 (not the bankruptcy kind). Every year many foreign companies sue the US because of Chapter 11. Since its the US Government thats being sued, guess who pays for it. If that doesn't piss you off..

          Rob K.
          Raleigh, NC
          '87 245 DL








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    Yelp!! My 'new' 245 is an environmental disaster!!! 200

    Unless you have a hole in your gas tank, I would be very suspicious of the Fuel hoses for the send and return lines at the fuel sender on the top of the tank. You can pick up fuel hose for cheap and it is easy to install, hose clamps and you're done pretty much.

    Check your filler hose going to the tank too, that may have a leak.

    good luck

    chuck
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    '88 244 171K, '87 BMW 325e 173K (used to feed a '84 245, '84 244, '85 744)








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    Yelp!! My 'new' 245 is an environmental disaster!!! 200

    The carpeted hinged plywood that is the floor of the back of the wagon needs to be removed to gain access to the fuel tank. Push the back seat down and there is 7 or 8 5/16's bolts and 2 more in the back. Once removed you should then see the access panel for the top of the tank. The metal tubes coming off the sending unit are prone to rusting out.








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      Yelp!! My 'new' 245 is an environmental disaster!!! 200

      I just re-read your post and it sounds like you allready removed the plywood door and are having problems with the access panel.








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        Yelp!! My 'new' 245 is an environmental disaster!!! 200

        maybe I should be looking forward from the underneigh storage panel for this access?? in front of hinged panel and behind rear seats???








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          Yelp!! My 'new' 245 is an environmental disaster!!! 200

          Yes.

          The access plate lies under the board between the hinged storage area covering board and the rear seat. So you have to unscrew the board in front where it attaches to body with a bunch of screws and the two screws that have the finishing washers.

          If you want to see the access plate that you have to get to, unscrew the two finishing screws, tip the rear up by lifting on the cargo panel and you'll be able to see the plate that you have to get to.
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          1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb and M46 trans








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          Yelp!! My 'new' 245 is an environmental disaster!!! 200

          It's about 6" square with rounded corners, on the left side of the "hump". See page 230-7 in your Bentley 240 manual.
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          Bruce Young,
          '93 940-NA (current), '80 GLE V8 (Sold), '86 240dl, '85 244 ti, '83 245t
          '76 244 (R.I.P at 255k), 73 142 (98K), '71 144 (ex circle track car)
          Used '70 144 from '78 to '92, New 144 from '67 to '78, Used '62 122 from '63 to '67







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