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Bad News from Garage (B27). What are my options? 200 1978

Just got news from my mechanic about the engine in my '78 262. It was running fine until I took a long fast cross-country trip. Halfway through the trip Seka started to make ticking sounds under the hood. I took her into her mechanic and got the news that was inevitable. The cams are starting to wear to the point of causing the undesired ticking sounds. The mech said I could drive it as is for awhile as long I didn't take anymore long trips but that to have the heads rebuilt would run around $3000.00. I really want to keep a PRV6 in it and am considering replacing the B27 with a B280F. Has anyone done this? I currently have an M46 in it and would like to keep the manual transmission. When I mentioned putting a B280F in the 262, the mech said he would need a donor car to get all the proper electronics and sensors for the swap. He also said that he thought he would have to use the tranny out of the donor car to do the swap. He also mentioned swapping the B27 for a B21 or B23. I'd like to keep the uniqueness of the V6 in the Bertone. Maybe I should save up and just get the heads redone? Any advice would be appreciated.








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    Bad News from Garage (B27). What are my options? 200 1978

    I've owned two bricks with the B27. I had a '76 262 that did not go 6 months after the ticking started. I also had a '78 wagon that ticked for years. That one went to the boneyard when it needed a waterpump. I believe waterpump was a 6 hour job and with all the other problems the car wasn't worth it. Anyway, if you REALLY want to stay with the B27 you should take all of the precautions menetioned in the other posts in addition to making a special point of tracking the gas mileage. You will notice a steady decline along with a loss in power as the cams wear. If the mileage holds, you're ok. If it goes bad and you still want to stay with it I would defer to rebuild rather than replace. It is a fact that the cams have been replaced thru the firewall. The hardest thing will be finding someone that has done it before and is willing to do it again.

    Richard








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    Bad News from Garage (B27). What are my options? 200 1978

    I have heard that some of the other cars that use the PRV V6 have a much
    sturdier iteration of the engine and more or less interchangeable.
    If you could work a deal like that it might set you up a lot better.

    Note! This is strictly based on hearsay and carries NO weight of personal
    experience! Hopefully others will weigh in on this issue!

    I will say, however, that dropping in a B30, while sturdy and strong,
    would probably not be easy, would require an M400 or M410 tranny or a
    custom-made bellhousing, and I am not sure if there is enough front-to-back
    room in there for such a long engine. It also uses a lot of gas.
    --
    George Downs, The "original" Walrus3, Bartlesville, Oklahoma








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      Bad News from Garage (B27). What are my options? 200 1978

      What about the straight six from the later 780- and 960-series
      cars? Or the 5-cylinder 850 variant of that engine modified to be
      mounted longitudinally? The six would probably (barely) fit,
      provided that you removed the A/C condenser and fitted electric fans
      in front of a modified radiator. The five would probably not have
      size issues, if you could tackle the other issues.

      -b.








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    Bad News from Garage (B27). What are my options? 200 1978

    It is difficult to advise anyone to keep a B27. However, if you must keep it, then yank the engine and overhaul it. Don't piecemeal one of these things. They will bite. I have overhauled a couple of them for various reasons.
    If the ticking is just a slightly noisy valve train, and the cam lobes look to be smooth and shiny, then use 5W-30 oil in it, change it regularly, and drive the thing. If the lobes are going, you can withdraw the cams into the firewall - Volvo TSB's gave instructions on how the dealers could do this. Fairly straightforward. New rockers get installed too.
    If it was me, I would dismantle the engine. The cams get insufficient oil because some bright spark in France decided to use smaller strainers in the oil passageways to the heads. When you overhaul it, remove them and increase the oil flow to the heads. Also the overhaul will include new chains and tensioners, and head gaskets, two other problem areas with this engine. The bottom ends, and the valves and heads are actually quite tough. But they tend to stop oiling the cams and rockers, throw timing chains, and pop head gaskets. And everything is very expensive compared to the four cylinder engines. And it is still an odd-fire engine.
    On the other hand I have a customer who has 270,000 kilometres on his and the valve train is as quiet as the day it was built. I have used 5W-30 oil in it for the last ten years, and it sure seems to help. But I won't rebuild it for him even when it does go.








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      Bad News from Garage (B27). What are my options? 200 1978

      Are the oil strainers the point of difference between the B27 and
      other brands' PRV engines, or are there other factors that make them
      more rugged also? Are there significant performance differences or
      potential upgrades? Superficially it appears to be a really nice engine.
      --
      George Downs, The "original" Walrus3, Bartlesville, Oklahoma








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        Bad News from Garage (B27). What are my options? 200 1978

        George I think the B27 and B28 used the strainers. I know that Volvo made huge changes in the B280 that nearly rendered it a good engine. Certainly they cured the camshaft problems and gave it an even fire crank.
        The Eagle Premier engine seems to be somewhat different. John Lane is the one who knows about them.








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    Bad News from Garage (B27). What are my options? 200 1978

    Unfortunately, the Volvo 6 cylinder engines (At least in the 240s) are pretty much junk.

    I don't know if it would be possible, but the 160 engines are much better, or so I hear. If you can drop an old 160 engine in there, you'd still have a Volvo engine, and a 6 cylinder one as well.

    Just an off the wall type idea, I have no idea if it's even possible at all.
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    If you listen to the radio in Portland, OR, you may know me as "Portland's Favorite Soul Brother!"








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    Bad News from Garage (B27). What are my options? 200 1978

    Could you pull the engine and just replace the cams? It shouldn't
    run you $3000 to do that. I've also heard that the cams can be
    replaced with the engine in situ by removing the dash and cutting
    cam-sized holes in the firewall (and closing them up with sheetmetal,
    bolts, nuts, and sealer afterwards). Or a V-8 swap? - I've heard
    that kits exist to drop in a Ford or GM V-8 without too much
    hassle.

    -b.








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      Bad News from Garage (B27). What are my options? 200 1978

      I'd like to keep a PRV in the car if at all possible to keep it somewhat original. With cam/rocker wear I'm also looking at the timing chains and rockers being new as well if I go with the head rebuild.







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