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snow tires: studless on front, studs on rear OK on a 245 200

My neighbor just gave me a pair of 205-60-15 studded Goodyear snows mounted on 700/900 rims. I already have four 185-70-14 Pirelli "Winter-Performance" tires for my 245 - but was thinking using the studded tires on the rear would help on the icy hills of Ithaca, NY, this winter.

However, I'm a little leary about mixing different rim diameters (the tires are about the same OD), profiles and stud/studless. Appreciate hearing from the Board on whether this is a good idea or not.








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snow tires: studless on front, studs on rear OK on a 245 200

I would say, go with 4 wheel snows over those. The size sounds good for a street tire but not for a snow tire. I usually drive on 4 snows and that has the best effect. Mixing and matching sets doesn't work that well.
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snow tires: studless on front, studs on rear OK on a 245 200

Thanks to everyone for the very informed discussion of my question. I found the idea of using a 205 size SNOW tire on a Volvo a bit strange myself. I've always used 185s on my 240 and 940 cars for the reasons noted in the thread.

Guess I'll pass these tires on to someone with a Crown Vic or a Towncar. Thanks again...








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snow tires: studless on front, studs on rear OK on a 245 200

very bad idea

three strikes against you in this equation:
tire profile VERY wrong for your car in the winter; tires dynamics mismatched front to back; and tires gripping MUCH DIFFERENTLY front to back, bc of studs.

first of all, 205 60 15 is a joke of a snow tire...even if you are driving a 3700 lb GM sled, theres too much grip sacrificed in such a large contact patch. particularly for a car as light as a c.3000 volvo, this just too wide... and the profile is TOO low! 60 series tires use a harder mix of materials, bc this lower profile is intended for more aggressive driving. softer rubber is what helps in the winter.

i broker volvos and SAABS and some other cars, so i drive cars with tires in all sorts of various conditions all the time. it is not uncommon for dealers who are just wholesaling the cars to throw on any tires they have, mismatching sets frequently.


have you ever drive a car with two different sized tires , front and rear ?

its bad. the car does weird things on curvy roads, over bumps, and at surprising times. and in conditions with pooor road grip, I could easily imagine a situation where the car sends you bad signals about what the front or the back end is doing, so you try to compensate likewise inappro-priately ...short trip from saving a few dollars to being off the road, wrecked, or just dead.

great bargain.

another thing about tire sizes. as a resident of the NE snow belt myself(in S.W. NY state), 205s are not helpful on a car as light as the 240 by current standards. we alwys use 185 on our family fleet of volvos. i have used 175s and even 165s once. very nice extra capability in some circumstances.

one time, someone gave me a set of snows in 195 65 15 when in a poorer financial state. put them on an 82 242 in buffalo. was only a few weeks before i went back to summer tires with fair tread. they were better.

as you must know, more pressure per square inch is what you want in winter tires for better grip and stability on the road. just the opposite of what you want for summer performance tires. that means a smaller contact patch in the winter, which means narrower tires. it has become a contemporary trend for cars which are supposed to be "higher performance cars" to use tires that are just too wide in the winter (no doubt bc its the tire companies suggesting these set ups...just look at a a tire rack ad !)...but these set ups sacrifice GREAT amounts of grip in using the wider tires in the winter. again, having driven many cars with wide and narrow tires in snow and ice, the same car can improve tremendously with just two sizes narrower of tires in the winter.

now, having studs at one end and not the other will ruin the very attribute volvo worked hard to engineer into this car, just for good handling in bad conditions: even-ness front to back. yes, studs on the rear drive wheels might provide some advantage up hills, etc, but that also means that in every other situation, the front of the car has less traction by comparison. front wheels do 80% of the braking and all the steering. is your propulsion more important that your stopping and your steering ? the 240 feels secure and re-assuring, because it is EVEN and balanced. dimishing that will not enhance the handling.

overall this is the advice given in the owner's manual of the car; by any tire center; by the dealer; by ME who has, like you, driven for years in the snow belt in properly shoed volvos and SAABS and peugeots and in extremely improperly shoed cars of all types.

if you are serious about help on the icy hills of ithaca this winter, a set of four mathced snow tires in the right size (185s at the most) is what will really help. studded or not-- but all four the same. we love unstudded gislaveds, but nokias and vredesteins are great too. vredesteins cost less too. (my father adds weight in the trunk, but i think all that does is wear out the rear shocks sooner.) if you dont have the money, look for a set of four on sale that were used a year, but even a set of four cheap new snow tires matched is great!

if you drive ANY volvo with four new, very good snow tires, you will no doubt be SO impressed, you will make that a financial priority whcih you happily pay !








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snow tires: studless on front, studs on rear OK on a 245 200

I agree with you 100%..... These wide tires are not for a Volvo in winter, AND all 4 wheels should be studs or not studs..

Even if these were the correct size, with studs on back and not on front very strange things can occur.....

NH. USA is in that snow belt I'ld say... Mac








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snow tires: studless on front, studs on rear OK on a 245 200

Personally I would fit studs to all four wheels or none at all.
Not much good having the grip to drive if you can`t steer the thing !!!!!!
Colin.








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snow tires: studless on front, studs on rear OK on a 245 200

I'd be concerned as to the 15" having a tendency to push the 14", particularlly in nasty weather, gravel roads, etc...any condition that you rely on adhesion to get you through.

AL








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snow tires: studless on front, studs on rear OK on a 245 200

I think you'd be fine. On a front wheel drive car, you don't want studs just on the front. It makes swapping ends more likely when going down big hills. But in your case, studs on just the back are probably fine unless you do a lot of high speed cornering in icy conditions.
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