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I was thinking about putting a ford engine in my 240, some one close to me suggested a TURBO build up-300HP realy WOW! HOW?
What all is involved and could it be done cheeply and in stages?
would the hole engine need to be built all at once or could it be built/driven and than built some more. Or all at once only?
Hope this question is put out so it is understanded to what im asking.
What could be done to a turbo engine to enhance power.
Would I need to swap computers?
I kinda want to keep it all VOLVO, YA KNOW?
Any and all input is welcome and appreciated!!
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!
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I have a 240T stock without intercooler, and with this car I have street racing to point a to b, and normally I win, I run my old brick vs. Jetta 2003 1.8T, Audi A4 1.8T 2000, hondas blah..., etc. and my brick kicked them. You need to define safety or a wild thing... This bricks are a safety car and if you want a 1/4 mile car, wild thing go for a Pontiac Firebird, or muscle car, I race a pontiac firebird 67 (400 hp) and I feel so danger to drive, you got the red light ego but not safety, but If you want a good street racer, I recomend you a 240T, manual gear, with Intercooler. Actually my brick have automatic tranny, no Intercooler, but I hope this year Install a manual trans and the intercooler, that I already have.
Edwin
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Just my 2 cents:
V8's. twice the cylinders pushing the crank around. More Torque.
Turbos..gotta wait for them to wind up.
Although it is a sign of a car that doesn't hook up and go, I love to sit there , smash the throttle and smoke tires over high end speed.
You can get that power out of a stockish V8 where you would have to build a tempermental 4 cylinder to get the same fun.
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'75 Jeep CJ5 345Hp ChevyPwr and two motorcycles: it wasn't Volvos safety , it was Longevity that sold me
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I'm putting together a turbo project right now - but it will NOT make 300HP.
The cost of parts needed to build a 300HP B2x(x)FT is at least equal to a V8 swap. You'll need a complete motor teardown/rebuild with stronger parts, custom exhaust (likely a custom turbo header as well), new turbo, and a new tranny (M90 or T5) at least. Once complete, a turbo motor will still never have the instantaneous response of a large displacement NA motor, but you will experience something akin to blasting off in a Saturn V when the boost hits. There are fans of each approach.
Do a lot of research before you decide - either car will be a blast to drive, but you'll never get back the money you dump into the project. So please be sure of which approach you're really going to want to live with long-term.
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Speed Racer, '83 240 R, '74 164 E, '93 940 OL1 (Manchester, CT)
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I have driven a converted VOLVO for a few months and MAN O' MAN it is a blast.
All the info that I am reciving from this post is handy and helpfull.
I will reserch all, as im not going to do this overnight.
300HP is just a saying, meaning that I want alittle more power. As I read I will see some things that people have done or will do. I would not know where to start a VOLVO engine build up.
As of now, my B230F engine with a M70-(I Think) is fine. The car don't lack power in town or hi-way, actualy the tires won't let me past 77mph.
After I rework all suspention/tires than I will want to play with it alittle, don't know where to start. Just getting info. THANKS and keep posted on the work your doing to your auto.. PLEASE.
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!
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I was at a light in my 245 when this normal looking 244 comes alongside.
It was newly painted a medium gray, not flashy, just detailed.
The first thing I nooticed was the sound from under the hood.
The second thing was the dual exhausts.
There is nothing comparable to the sweet purr of a V-8.
Also - 5.0 litre HO witht eh manual tranny will consistently deliver 26 - 28 mpg at highway speeds.
As far as extra weight up front - a set of diesel front springs will carry the load.
My brother has a mustang 5.0 HO - I haven't ridden in any VOlvo yet that can deliver such punch at any speed.
I like my B21A and B230F - but if given the choice and if my kids weren't getting braces..........
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posted by
someone claiming to be Rhys
on
Mon Jul 21 19:23 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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You have to ask yourself:
1. Do I want easy, effortless power and torque, quiet and smooth?
2. Do I feel some allegiance to keeping my Volvo "All Volvo", whatever that means?
3. Do I want to squeeze huge power from an already compromised engine only to find the transmission explodes?
The answer to number 1 is to install a Ford 5.0 HO. I did one of those conversions, great car, sorry I sold it. Go around slow right handers in third gear at 1000 RPM, squeeze the throttle and blast off. Nail it in second at 3000 with your foot OFF the clutch and chirp the tires it accelerates so quickly and instantly. Great all round.
Ford now owns Volvo. Volvo has always used "other peoples" parts, like ATE, Girling, Marchal, Cibie, Dana, Bosch, ZF, Camgear, Golde, etc.... What is the big deal with one more? And who cares anyways? No ones business but your own.
With big boost on an early B230FT (one of the worst engines Volvo ever built, and can't blame VW or Puegot for) you will pitch a rod out, pop a head gasket, and worry about "going lean" all the time. If you can find a B23FT, great. Then the only concern will be finding a supply of transmissions to install every month. With the Ford, you get a very nice T-5 or AOD, either of which is a gearbox the Europeans can only dream of.
Guess what my advice is?
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The worst engine Volvo ever built eh? Come on. There are people out there who have run it at 40% over stock power and didn't have problems. There are people who have run the B23s at stock power and had core shift issues.
Then again why not install the V8 and have all the lovely service issues of having a V engine in a 240.. but buying twice the plugs and wires sure sounds fun. Sign me up :)
BTW, if you want a T-5 so much, go ahead put it behind a red block.
And the handling with a heavier engine up front?
Maybe if you had worked on your V8 a little, but if you're going to compare a stock 302 to a red block turbo.. why bother? For less money and less effort, I wouldn't be surprised if you could tune the Volvo motor to whomp on the V8.. without constantly worrying about running lean.
- alex
'85 244 Turbo
'84 245 Turbo
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posted by
someone claiming to be Rhys
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Mon Jul 21 20:18 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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How many early B230Ft's have you rebuilt? I have done enough that at this rate I can retire early. Collapsed pistons, tapered cylinder walls, thrust bearings so bad the convertor bolts wiped into the back of the block. The later ones were better - as they started to build them like the B23FT. Volvo AB nearly bought the farm with the mid 80's 740 series cars.
I DID install a V-8 in a 240. No servicing issues at all, unless spark plugs every other year, and oil changes three times a year is excessive to you. Not to me. The damn thing fit like it was meant to be there.
I didn't want a T-5, I HAD one, and behind the engine it deserved.
No Volvo turbo every "whomped" me. And I have owned Volvo turbos. I have modded both the Volvo and Ford engines in fact (in addition to nearly everything else). Mustang 5.0's couldn't get by me unless they were modded. That sure surprised them!
Don't get me wrong, I like Volvos. But I would rather have a sleeper V-8 Volvo than a modded red block turbo. They just run nicer - and you don't have to "stir them up" to get power. You can have the power right now, every time, without worrying about a gasket, or an intercooler hose, or whatever.
I have done both. It isn't a hypothetical argument to me.
There is a long list of fancy sports cars that are still wondering how the old guy in an 82 240GLT smoked them like a cheap cigar.
Anyways. Detailer will make the right choice for him. And that's what matters.
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Hey Kevin -
Back in April I won an eBay auction for a baseball cap with VOLVO on it. The seller was right here in Houston, so I went and picked it up myself.
The seller runs a Volvo repair shop "Professional Volvo Service" and was happy to show me his 740 Ti, all black tinted windows, with what he said is a 300 bhp engine.
Contact him at mpolk@sbcglobal.net and see what advice he may have for you.
Good Luck,
Bob
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Thanks BC, Im at a dead stop on this one. I don't know where to start at all.
ALEX, brought up some good points and how to go about this. Every one has good info and opinions. After reading posts I will reserch this, as I would hate to start buying parts that don't mix. (KINDA THING)
The worst is that I don't know what I want "Wish I had two VOLVOS!!"
thanks for info, I will use it.
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!
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Tinted windows do not a 300hp motor make.
I've got a three hundred horse power wagon..... if I dropped in a running engine that made 300hp. Hah. I'll believe that he had 300hp (which admittedly isn't so hard to do from a Volvo turbo motor I'm sure) when I see the dyno graph. Not before.
Turbobricks is a terrific place.. to go blow your first, second, third, and fourth motor. Lots of experimentation, less information (and of course the occasional bullshit misinformation). Sometimes you'll see something interesting, but more often than not it's bull. Anyone remember Kris Weldy? Oy.
That said, if you're trying to make some power go do some reading. Believe it or not, a fundamental understanding of how these things work is a great idea. Two great first sources for info are the Bentley book on Bosch FI (for understanding the theory behind fuel injection), and Corky Bell's book Maximum Boost (for understanding turbocharger design and theory).
In practice you can probably raise the boost a bit without modifying anything as long as you stay under the factory boost cut-off.
- alex
'85 244 Turbo
'84 245 Turbo
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Hey Alex -
The tinted windows comment was only to describe a neat looking 745. The engine was significantly modified, and I can't remember all the things he had done to it. My comment about "HE SAID 300 bhp" was to indicate that how one determines the bhp output is not just by saying so. Maybe that car would test on a dyno at only 250 bhp. Actually I didn't care. My cars are stock, and will stay that way except for the high mileage badges and the snow caps.
The reason for my post was to give Kevin a way to contact someone who seemed to know what he was doing, and had done a "soup up" job keeping it pretty much all Volvo. The guy also bragged about a "High stall speed" transmission, and I neither know nor want to know why that is important.
Regards,
Bob
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Alex,Thanks for the names of manuals.
I never had a turbo anything so I have no clue as to when the turbo kicks in or on. I am looking for real life experiance with a turbo.
Could or would the car launch hard, or is the power only when turbo kicks in.
I mean: after a turbo engine is bult up, would the build up also help launch the car harder than stock would.
Would launching stay the same and all built up power only show up when turbo kicks on??
Im not sure on wording hope my question is understandable.
THANKS for info. Do you have a 300HP engine, ALEX.
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!
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No, I don't have a 300hp engine. Both of my cars are more or less stock. But if I washed the car and tinted the windows, would you really think that I had 300hp? Sure the sedan sounds loud...
Anyways, how much low end power you get out of a turbo motor depends entirely on how you builid it. In stock form the RWD bricks have pretty nasty turbo lag. However, a [manual] boost controller (like a g-valve) combined with launching the car at a higher RPM, pre-loading the slushbox, or a high stall speed torque converter will help with the racing. Around town, I found that even with the granny first gear the turbos don't feel as lively as the non turbos (even the ones with automatics) do. But once you hit the boost..
The friend's 760T has the wastegate stuck shut. It builds boost quickly, but 0-30mph is still pretty slow unless you ?powerbrake?.
Check out Dave Barton's site. He's built a pretty sweet turbo motor. While I've not seen or experienced the car in person.. I've heard and read plenty.
I would like to recommend the turbobricks forums or mailing list, but I found the signal to noise ratio rendered it a worthless forum. There are a few people with some actual experience for sure. I actually found Mike Aaro of Unitek fame to be an interesting source of information (his English is a bit difficult to understand tho), but some will surely disagree with me on that.
Before saying you need XYZ hp, drive a stock turbo and see what you think. If you don't like it, go tweak it a bit and see where that gets you. But a fundamental understanding of how it all works will help you go a long way without actually blowing up your engine.
For reference, Volvo lists the 0-60 time for an intercooled 240T at 8.5 seconds.
http://blarf.homeip.net/volvo/pics/intercooler/
- alex
'85 244 Turbo
'84 245 Turbo
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Thank you ALEX.
Im not sure what im going to do yet. I want to play around with this VOLVO.
I will test drive a TURBO, I never thought of that!
Don't know if I want hi speed,or,hi exceleration and low top speed.
I can only do one or the other, wich is sad.
IM CONFUSED!! thank you and all...I will read the link you left and all info.
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!
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Hay Hay, BC, thanks for info. I will look into it.
I was thinking maybe there is a helper book/manual for this, that someone makes to sell. Like a JTR conversion type manual.
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!
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Check out www.turbobricks.com they'll tell you how.
They say you're limited to 250bhp by your trans.
Turbo 944 Porsches make 300+ bhp reliably from 2.7 liters.
100 bhp/liter is usually a safe limit for most turbo motors.
In the 80's BMW made an F1 racer with 1,100+ (yes, more than eleven hundred) bhp from only 1.4 liters!
D
'90 745T, 206k
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Well if you're going for Ford power.. the SHO V6 made about 73hp/liter in normally aspirated factory fresh form. It's also a durable, albeit slightly rare motor. Pretty flat torque curve all things considered (i.e. it's the transmission not the engine that makes it a bit of a clunky daily driver).
I believe you can make 300+hp pretty reliably with a belt driven blower (500+ fwhp if you're not too concerned about how long it'll last and have $5k to drop on engine mods).
- alex
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Thanks PorBrickMan.
The funny thing is that, I am looking for 225HP give or take.
1.4 liters = 1100HP, Hmmm, I wonder how many miles that engine lasted/or would last LOL.
Im sitting here thinking 1100HP. MAN O MAN, I can't comprehend that from a small engine. SWEET!! is all I can say. THANKS.
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!
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Detailer,
You should check out www.turbobricks.com ... it has a lot of good info about how to get the most out of your brick.
There are several excellent articles about turbocharging, intercooling, cams, exhaust, etc. Tons of helpful posts on boosting the performance.
It can be very expensive to get horsepower up to the level you're talking, but do-able. Going the V8 Ford or Chevy is the cheaper way to go, but it's not all Volvo (for whatever that may be worth to you !?!)
You'll enjoy it!
Good Luck!
TomD
'86 240
'93 240
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TomD,
Thanks. I will search that site.
Im not good on internet and finding sites. Im learning.
Computer is for pics and personal info.
I never searched for anything, so the help that you and all others give is so kool... BB ROCKS!!
Im not looking for a lot of power, just alittle more, 225HP would be nice but, spendy.
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!
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