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OIl use problesm..a summantion.. 900

ok distilling the facts from the fiction...

car 940 turbo, b230ft, garret turbo, 135k

the turbo uses 1 ltr oil per 100 miles or so if driven hard..

It has had the oil leaks sorted, a new turbo etc..

The engine compression tests as follows :-

dry 155,150,135,140
wet na,170,165,190 na=couldnt work out how to get oil in there!

breathers etc are all (now) clear..they were all clear, but the oil return pipe to the engine was VERY coked/sludged up (possibly blocked!)..now clear and i can (slowly) pour oil down there...and get a peice of winscreen washer type tube down it!

The cat has been swallowing oil for a while (eg. with old turbo - although changing the turbo didnt alter the oil use!)

The exhaust has a 'crush' in it imediately before the mid box restricting the pipe (possibly to 1/2 - 3/4 or original volume)

car runs well, but if you follow it under heavy acceleration (4500 rpm full boost) it does smoke a little bit...not clouds but a small amount of darkish greyish (maybe blackish)smoke - certainly you have to be looking at the exhaust to see it!

At idle the car doesnt smoke (At all - even after extended periods)

A bucket of water with the exhaust palying over the surface at idle indicated no oil on the water surface (or if the engine is reved and held at circa 2500 rpm)

The oil use is MUCH worse on long high speed (70-80 mph) turbo using journeys, round town it uses much less (maybee 1/8th - 1/4 ltr per 100 miles)

there is oil in the turbo tubes...seems to be being drawn up the breathere tube from the oil seperator.

The air filter is newish (ok) and no restictions in the intake pipes...

17" vacume at manafold at idle, idle at 2500 rpm a couple more inches of vacume & rock steady - no decrease just sits there...(indicating no serious exhaust blockage?????)

spark plugs are nice and tan/grey, but cokey round the rims

exhaust is sooty

if you disconnect the manafold to flame trap and measure the presure on the flame trap nipple at idle you get about ambiant presure, rev the engine and it dips some...not a lot, but a definate dip...

Now given mobil 1 doesnt evaporate and im not leaking it (honestly im not!) its being burnt (and at a rate!) so principle possibles are:-

1 valve seals (how to test?)

2 rings/pistons (rulled out by compression test - for this much oil???)

3 turbo seals possibly due to excess back presure from cat/crushed exhaust?
cat looks original and NO cahnce of removing or geting the plug out without
an OXY!) the nuts are pyramid shaped!

4 Blocked breather oil return pipe leading to excess oil in breather (now
possibly cured - (could this have the effect i am seing????)

What i am looking for is (a) a consensus of opinion of which of the above is possible/likely (and why), which is most likely and what OBJECTIVE testing I can do to rule them in out...

I have no objection to spending sensible money on measurements/tools if they will help me *diagnose* the issue (eg exhaust co2 analyser)

also how much do turbo's just smoke under heavy boost (given a posible oil covered cat/oil in pipes etc)

Finally....HELP! - im running a volvo on sythetic 2 stroke in effect and it isnt cheap!








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    OIl use problesm..a summantion.. 900

    With all that information it seems it could be only one thing, TURBO.








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      OIl use problesm..a summantion.. 900

      but its new....
      and if so it does exactly what the old one used too - same amounts of oil and everything...seems unlikely UNLESS its the back presure from the cat? / exhasut crush causing it???

      the exhaust was pur on by the PO but looks fairly new..otehrwise i would just change the midbox out...








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        backpressure test 900

        You might be able to see if exhaust backpressure is the problem (or part of the problem) by removing the test port nut on the cat (should be just in front of the cat) and driving the car in the manner that would normally cause it to lose oil.

        Caveat: I can't remember the exact position of the test port... I think it's far enough under the car that the exhaust would stay underneath, rather than come in the engine bay... if you take a look, I'm sure you'll be able to tell if it's a dumb idea.

        - Brian








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          backpressure test 900

          no its a great idea...but...the only way to remove it would be to drill it out! its rusted into a blob! the nusts on the cat are litrally gone...just pyramids of rust, the studs on the cat have rusted to the point of no exposed threads left!....I was going to pull the cat, so i could get to see what it was like...the idea *was* to pull it, if it looked oil (which im guessing it would....) to puch the filing out, refit and run for a trip...see if the problem went away, if it did then fit a new cat - but i dont ffel like sticking a new cat on there to have it oiled to death if htat isnt the problem - so far chasing this oil has cost me over $1000...and I am NO further forward....

          hence my thoughts about diagnosis...rather than just throwing money at it!

          I suppose i could dril the plug , then get it welded up! - but I think (could be wrong) that the problem is probably mostly under full boost and I recall cant see what a 1/4-1/2 inch hole is going to do versus a 2 1/2 inch exhaust...








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            backpressure test 900

            Rats! now I see that you mentioned the eroded state of the nuts in your post. I think the idea of the test port is that if your cat is stuffed, or you have a meaningful restriction in the system, even that small hole will make a big difference in the behavior of the engine.

            I keep coming back to the exhaust because althought it's hard, dirty, nasty work, it seems more DIY-friendly than valve seals or rings - at least for someone with my level of experience, skills, etc. It also sounds like you've tackled your crankcase pressure issues, which could also have contributed to the turbo seals leaking oil.

            Is the kinked exhaust pipe part of the part of the resonator, and if so, would it be possible to remove the resonator for a test drive? I'm pretty sure mine is slip-fit/clamped... here's a shot of a Bosal resonator, which also would be slip-fitted:








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              backpressure test 900

              yes the crush is just in that slight s bend as it enters the resonator...

              the only problem is...that the oil use only make itself aparent after a good few miles giving the engine some welly...and i have a suspicion the police might take a dim view to a unsilenced 940turbo over any distance...and lets face it would be a ble to hear me comming from a considerable distance!

              Its also interesting that although I have posted several times about this issue no one is saying 'oh yeh i had that and.....' so i am rather assuming the problem is (a) unusual and (b) terminal...

              To be frank this problem has made me hate the b230ft...i have been thinking of getting shot and going for a 740 (carbs & simpler less stressed engine) but having SEEN a b230e...well what a crap peice of design! basically i have worked out that I can buy a NEW car for what this has been costing me in maintenacne a month...andthats doiong most of the work myself..

              I don't know im just getting to hate this...basically i think I will take it down the auction, take the $2000 loss - after all i am just pouring money into this with NO results....and go try a different make - seems a shame as we have had good times with bricks from 144's thru to 7 series in the family - i guess they just let the quality go down the tubes with the 9's (and from what i have personnaly seen with the FWD cars too...oh well....








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