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Trans input shaft/oil leak 140-160 1974

Hi, I just installed a trans (M41) that I rebuilt 23 years ago. Everything works fine but it is leaking out the front so I am about to pull it out. Hopefully I can get away with installing a new input shaft seal but I have doubts....

I noticed before putting the trans in that the input shaft had a little side to side play. Does anybody know how much (if any) is allowable? Can a new front bearing be installed without taking the trans apart?

Thanks.

Ted








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    Trans input shaft/oil leak 140-160 1974

    The pilot bearing seemed fine when I checked it. It turned round freely with no noise and did not move when I wiggiled it back and forth.

    The seal on the input shaft looked good. I am sure I replaced it when I rebuilt the trans.

    I did drop the trans while trying to get it in and the input shaft did rest on the bell housing which may have contributed to the seal failure....I guess something can be said for following the Haynes manual more closely and at least fabricating a couple of guidepins to line the trans up with the bellhousing...

    I am pretty sure that the rubber o-ring seals that go around the three alan bolts that hold the input shaft cover (and seal) onto the trans go around the alan bolt heads (thats at least the way I installed them) but not entirely. Perhaps they go between the cover and the trans...I did not think to look if there was a space for them when I installed them.








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      Trans input shaft/oil leak 140-160 1974

      You've got the O-rings in right, no worries there.

      I recently resealed a M41 for a friend and used Permatex Hylomar to goop all the gaskets. This is a non-hardening sealant that should be used very thinly, and seems to be impervious to pretty much anything. The thing reportedly doesn't leak a drop.

      Mentioning this because I said in an old article that I don't like to goop tranny gaskets. That statement is now obsolete.








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        Trans input shaft/oil leak 140-160 1974

        Did you goop the front seal as well?








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          Trans input shaft/oil leak 140-160 1974

          Well, no, not the oil seals themselves; just all the gaskets except for the cork one on the top cover. Never seen that one leak.








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    Trans input shaft/oil leak 140-160 1974

    First, the seal. The seal itself is in the little cover/shroud that goes over/around the imput shaft itself, which is easily removed with the three allen screws that hold it to the front of the transmission casing. That is a piece of cake once the transmission is out and bellhousing off. I expect you will also need to source or make a new gasket that goes between that housing and the front of the trans. case...if there is/ever was one.

    As for the bearing... I don't know how much play is acceptable... But, you might check the amount of play in various gears. I would think that there would naturally be more play in neutral, which is probably where it was when you installed it. With a puller of some sort, I think you could indeed pull the input shaft without taking anything else apart...though, at least one or two of the selecter rods would have to come out along with their shifter forks. And, you'll be getting into them 3rd/4th shift sincros and dogs and stuff....

    Personally, I'd just do the seal...but it could be that the excessive play in the shaft is the whole root of the problem...

    -Matt








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      Trans input shaft/oil leak 140-160 1974

      M40/M41 doesn't have a bellhousing to transmission gasket. The input shaft seal is integrated into the transmission proper and the selector shafts are completely contained in the transmission. The "bellhousing as front transmission cover" that started requiring a gasket didn't start until the M400/M410 and later M45/M46/M47.

      Wich is also why it's perfectly allright to unbolt the transmission from the bellhousing and not bother getting those pesky top bellhousing bolts off, and likewise leaving the starter in place.

      Bram








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    Trans input shaft/oil leak 140-160 1974

    It is normal for the input shaft to have a little play when not installed
    in the car, or (more correctly) not bolted up to the engine. The pilot
    bearing in the back of the crankshaft is what keeps it straight.
    Unless the bearing is really loose, my guess is that you just have a
    dried-out front seal, which is fairly easily replaced once you get
    the tranny out of the car. If necessary you can replace the bearing also
    but it is not as easy.
    --
    George Downs, The "original" Walrus3, Bartlesville, Oklahoma







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