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B20b intake manifold, question on modification 140-160

The secondary "butterflies" have been removed from the intake portion of the manifold. I'm wondering what the removal was supposed to accomplish. The holes for the mounting hardware have been sealed with fuel line hose threaded with stainless bolts. A job done well enough to have me thinking there was a solid reason behind it. I guess that's my question: why?

I have the parts (among those included in the sale). Leave them out or put them back?

Thanks.








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    B20b intake manifold, question on modification

    grainy;

    ...very good info from all, but I don't think I saw anyone mention that the crankcase gases are mixed into that (prewarming) chamber which the intake mixtures are routed through under part throttle (under full throttle, the seconcary throttles were opened and the mixtures ran directly into the head - to call it a rudimentary form of variable-tuned intake is not incorrect, Al).

    But this mixing with oil vapor/droplet containing crankcase gases is what I believe causes the problem which this manifold is known for: Poor and/or unrepeatable idling.

    From my observations, the crankcase gases cause deposits in that chamber when the oil components hit the chamber surface during hotsoak after shutting engine off (naturally, the higher the mileage on the engine, the more blowby, the more deposits), these build up and eventually catch fuel dropplets and can even cause them to puddle...after that, there's now way to get any kind of repeatable idle control...and we haven't even mentioned any additional false air getting past the secondary throttles...idle, what idle?

    So the intake side is kinda hopeless, but the exhaust side is possibly the highest flowing 4 into 2 casting from the factory! That's why it's not unheard of to separate the two...replacing the intake side with a <'66 alu unit, and leaving the stock exhaust...it's not a header, but it won't rust through in 10 years either! I works great, I've done it too!

    Cheers









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    B20b intake manifold, question on modification


    My understanding is this:

    At small throttle openings the intake charge is routed past
    the exhaust manifold area facilitating the rapid warm-up and
    easing cold start / cold running by insuring that the gasoline
    is completely vaporized prior to going into the cylinder. At
    larger throttle positions the secondary butterflies are held
    open allowing the charge to directly enter the cylinder.

    This system causes a couple of problems:
    not all carbs have the arms to open the secondary butterfly

    the secondary butterfly shafts wear causing an intake leak

    at partial throttle the butterflies still obstruct the intake

    the system is always on so the rapid warm up isn't useful if it
    is really bloody hot out so heating the already hot air with the
    exaust manifold only makes the car run hotter and reduces the
    power of the motor because hot air is less dense than cold.

    I'd take them out. They certainly didn't preserve the system
    when they went to fuel injection.

    chris








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      B20b intake manifold, question on modification 120-130 1967

      I will have to say that the cast iron single manifold, with or without
      the secondary butterflies, is certainly more tractable on startup in
      very cold weather. In fact my 122, with aluminum manifold, will be
      crochety for the first 5 miles or so unless I crank it up, drive it a
      couple blocks, then shut it down so the heat can conduct back to the
      manifold and carbs. Otherwise the heat of evaporation of the gasoline
      being taken out of the carbs and manifold continuously prevents them
      from getting warm until the whole engine room is warm.

      When I came back to Oklahoma I reinstalled the thermal flapper on the
      air intake of my 164 so it pulled air from near the exhaust pipe and
      it made a WORLD of difference in tractability on and shortly after
      startup in very cold weather. It has the secondary butterflies removed,
      btw.
      --
      George Downs, The "original" Walrus3, Bartlesville, Oklahoma








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    B20b intake manifold, question on modification

    That manifold was an early, rudimentary version of today's variable-tuned intake manifold. It's designed to use the principles of ram tuning, where the specific length/volume of a column of air at a particular rpm has a (minor) supercharging effect. The linkage was supposed to tip-in the manifold butterflies to give a short, direct air path at higher rpms.
    Maybe the previous owner didn't understand or care about the system, so he ripped it out. Or maybe the car was changed over to earlier carbs that wouldn't accept the system for some reason.








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      B20b intake manifold, question on modification

      Friend Randy has that manifold on his 122s wagon. He said it was a lot like the weber's progressive barrel, not in design, but in performance. It seemed to drive like that, too-- When the pedal was stomped it would surge forward like a progressive barrel opening. Impressive. But now I wonder if it was just running at 80% until the butterflies were out of the way and it then ran at 100% of its potential... Is that manifold (butterflies or not) recommended over the earlier version? It's a different shape, no?

      -Ben
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    B20b intake manifold, question on modification

    I think those were an emissions thing... I always pull 'em out or pin them permanently open. Don't know if they harm when they are in, but they sure don't help anything... I've been told they cost you power though.

    I'd leave 'em out if I were you.

    -matt







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