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Sudden Drivetrain Problem - Help! 140-160 1970

I have never seen or felt anything like this. I was driving my 1970 144 yesterday when I noticed some strange noises coming from the front end of the car (like metal "clicks", something was braking loose), then as I slowed down there was a terrible vibration (I felt it in the engine, the steering wheel, even the hood was shaking, but the engine didn't stall. As soon as I stopped the engine was running smooth and fine, no unusual vibration or noise. I started to drive again and it happened again, really bad at about 10mph then got a little better at faster speeds. I drove the car at about 45 mph and it felt like something was "rubbing", like the transmission (automatic) or driveshaft was coming apart, along with weird groaning noises especially during accelleration. I then tried shutting off the engine and coasting to a stop and the vibration was still there! I drove the car home and parked it. I have looked at everything and can't see anything wrong. My gut feeling is that it's one of the following, but I'm not sure:

1. A motor or trans mount broke
2. Something with the driveshaft is bent or has come loose
3. Something with the auto transmission (even though it's shifting fine!)

Any ideas what this could be?








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    Sudden Drivetrain Problem - Help! 140-160 1970

    I'd have to agree with JohnMC about the center support bearing. There is a small spring that sits within the rubber mount to help hold the driveline and absorb some of the shock. The metal clicking noise you described is probably the spring coming out of the mount and rubbing on the edge of the driveshaft. If the driveshaft isn't properly supported anymore, you will get a lot of vibration while moving. It only seems to get better when going faster, but the truth is, don't wait on checking this out. This is what happened to me, and since it took me a while to figure out what it was(because it only happens while you are moving), I ended up having to replace one u-joint as well as the center support bearing. I'm actually lucky the front half of my driveshaft stayed attached.
    Phil
    69 142S








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    Sudden Drivetrain Problem - Help! 140-160 1970

    A broken motor mount isn't really a source of massive vibration - it will just let the normal slight vibration transfer to the car better - but its nothing that would scare anyone. And in any case the engine wasn't vibrating at a rest so it seems to rule that out plus any other engine problems.

    My first thought was perhaps a u-joint or drive shaft center support bearing - due to the continued vibration when rolling with the engine off and the groaning on accelleration, but what steers me away from that is that you reported feeling vibration through the steering. That seems to indicate something loose on the front suspension or steering linkage - possible giving one of the front wheels enough slack to chatter (although I'm not sure that would be related to acceleration or not?).

    What I would do is:
    1) Jack the whole front end of the car up. Spin the steering wheel back and forth and listen for strange noises. Wiggle each front wheel top and bottom, left and right. Look for slack, take the tires off and look for damage. Could be a (really) bad tie rod, idler arm, wheel bearing, suspension bushing (although I've never heard of one suddenly going bad). Spin each wheel and listen for rumbling or scraping sounds.
    2) Look carefully at the u-joints and center support bearing as well (other than the steering wheel vibration this still sound like the main culprit). If one went out that dramatically there should be some visible evidence like little chips of metal or obvious slackness when wiggled.

    Good Luck and let us know what happens.








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      Sudden Drivetrain Problem - Help! 140-160 1970

      You guys were right! I ended up having the car towed to a mechanic and they found that the Steering Coupler was loose (they said it had been replaced once and wasn't installed properly) and a Transmission Mount was broken. The Steering Coupler getting loose is what caused the sudden problem because the mechanic said the trans mount looked like it had been broken for a long time. Now my steering works great (absolutely no play in the wheel!) and the trans shifts smoother with less vibration. Only costed me $150 for the repair. These 140's are friggen great. Thanks again for your advise.








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    Sudden Drivetrain Problem - Help! 140-160 1970

    If it is coming from the front, I doubt that it is any of those things.
    Maybe a front wheel bearing came apart, a brake pad let go, maybe even a
    weird tire or rim problem. Driveline problems range from under your seat
    to the back of the car, and tranny problems are where the tranny is,
    still not in the front of the car. If it was a serious motor mount
    problem it would be noticeable at shift points.
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    George Downs Bartlesville, Oklahoma







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