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Axel Castle Nut 444-544 63

I have put lots of torque on this nut and it won't budge... It almost appears like the final thread on the axel is sticking up higher than the nut. Is that possible? Could the ends of the nut be bent down to far into the threads - i sure wouldn't think so... I have also given it a good dose of PB Blaster to no avail.. What is the deal here?

Thanks








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    Re: Axel Castle Nut 444-544 63

    Bob,

    Answering you actual question:

    "appears like the final thread on the axel is sticking up higher than the nut. Is that possible?... What's the deal here?

    Very possible. The deal here? It sounds to me like the end of the tapered axle is "flared", and that's why you can't get the nut off. May have occured in a previous attempt at removing the brake drums, as it can take some mighty blows directly onto the end of the shaft, with a fairly big hammer, to get that sucker off.

    I don't know if I'd try to fix a flared shaft with a file. They were one of the very few things that were allowed to be modified for some sort of official racing rules, as 3 wrecks occured in one season due to tapered axle shaft breakdown. This may or may not apply to your style of driving. ;^)

    I have seen this warned about (fortunately) before I attempted my first break job on my 122. The trick to preventing flaring of the shaft is to unscrew the castle nut, all the way off,

    turn it around and screw it back on with the castelated (notched part) end inward.

    and the solid part of the nut outward, completely covering the end of the tapered shaft.

    Leave just a little bit of the shaft sticking out past the outward surface of the nut, to beat on, and check this as you beat.

    Don't want to flare any more shafts ends.

    Now the shaft is protected. AND when the drum does brake loose, it won't go shooting across the garage, or into your knee, or your wife's car, cause the castle nut's there to prevent it.

    Last time I did mine, before I started beating, I released the emergency brakes (be sure car is secured in some other way). Also, one friend illustrated to me how intermitently, beating, a little more lightly, around the perimeter of the drum helps to loosen "the grip". This has seemed to help me a lot.

    Listen to the sounds as you beat. With the castle nut doing its duty, all you will hear is a distinct but sorta muffled "POP!", as the drum breaks free. Good luck

    gary

    '58 444

    '67 122 (2)

    '72 p1800 ES

    gary@bayareaparts.com









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    Re: Axel Castle Nut 444-544 63

    Doing the brakes, Eh?

    Assuming it's the rear axle you are having trouble with, have you removed the cotter pin? Sometimes they break off and you can't see the remaining portion in the nut.

    Also, the end of the axle could have been damaged an was pushed into the nut, a file would work. An impact/air wrench would help.









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      Re: Axel Castle Nut 444-544 63

      Yep, be sure to check for the cotter pin. Otherwise, it is a big wrench with a lot of torque. And then the drum. Now the excitement really begins. You will need a quality wheel puller, one you can beat on with a big hammer. It will be TIGHT!

      Leonard








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        Re: Axel Castle Nut 444-544 63

        Forgive me for possibly spreading false doubts and rumors - but isn't the passenger side castle nut left-hand threaded??? Or am I just mis-remembering that?

        John Mc

        63 544 - 2 new rear drums 1.5 yrs ago








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          Re: Axel Castle Nut 444-544 63

          Don't think so. Also, I've found that a quality breaker bar and blow torch will break just about any stuck nut. And don't be too sure that a good wheel puller will get those back drums off. I bought the best Craftsman had and snapped it. Then I bought another one and hammered away for an hour or so before giving up and leeting the brake shop pull the darn things with something hydraulic...

          -Ethan








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            Re: Axel Castle Nut 444-544 63

            Regarding the wheel puller, use one that pulls on the wheel studs and not the outside of the drum. I learned that the hard way.








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              Re: Axel Castle Nut 444-544 63

              That'd do it...where does one find such a beast, and how much does it generally retail for?

              --Ethan








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                Re: Axel Castle Nut 444-544 63

                Ethan--The redoubtable JC Whitney carries a good one--it is listed, but not pictured, in their catalog: "Professional 3-arm puller, cat. #12PX8895A" Listed in my fairly recent copy at $50. You can probably order online...I have rented the Taylor unit someone mentioned and this seeems to be the same one. Good luck--and don't be afraid to smack it with that 3-lb hammer--Nathan








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                Re: Axel Castle Nut 444-544 63

                I haven't seen really heavy duty ones for sale retail. I don't think they make car hubs that need such brute force anymore. I found one for sale on Ebay and ended paying ~$80 plus shipping to get it. It came in a nice gray metal box with military inventory markings on it, so I guess it's a surplus item. Most hub pullers for sale now just aren't up to the task of pulling off that big taper fit hub/axle connection. Perhaps something for large trucks or tractors might work?

                John Mc








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                Re: Axel Castle Nut 444-544 63

                I also forgot the original question was about the nut.

                Would a nut splitter work?

                But about the drum puller, I saw one by Snap On a few years back for about $70. Ouch!

                I have rented them from Taylor Rental (CT, don't know if they're nationwide) for about $12 per day in the past.

                The one time I used a puller that grabbed from the outside, I bent the drum rendering it useless.







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