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Bad ECU maybe?? 200 85

My 85 240 Turbo has suddenly went on strike and has refused to start. :0(

From what I have checked, it is a fuel delivery problem. There is plenty of fuel coming out at after the filter, but nothing goes to the injectors. When I start the car, it spits and sputters for a second or two, then quickly dies. Kinda like it was firing on 1 or 2 cylinders. I think it is just the cold-start injector providing alittle dab of fuel to get things going. I have taken off the CIS (Constant Idle System) hose at the Cold Start injector to verify this, and yes, there is fuel there. Just no fuel at the other injectors. I was wondering if a bad ECU would cause this.

Thanks for any help!!









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    Alan --

    If you have fuel pressure, with the K-jet system you must have the right fuel pressure. The flow to the injectors is controlled by the fuel distributor, which uses a complex mechanism for metering the proper flow to injectors based on air flow and also on a control pressure. This control pressure (the control pressure regulator -- cpr) intends to send more fuel with a cold engine. Ironically, a low fuel pressure richens the mixture, and a high fuel pressure leans the mixture.

    The control pressure rises with rising engine temperature. Thus, the mixture is leaned as the engine warms.

    You need to make the appropriate fuel pressure measurements at the cpr using the proper pressure gauge. This will tell you if the control pressure is wrong or if the system pressure is wrong. The Volvo manual provides a graph of acceptable pressures for different temperatures.

    If only the control pressure is incorrect, it means you must replace or disassemble and clean your cpr. But if the system pressure is wrong, it can be a bad fuel pump (low pressure) or a regulator problem (high pressure).

    According to the Volvo manual, two things can cause high system pressure -- a blocked return line, and a failed (or plugged) fuel pressure regulator. This regulator (which is NOT the cpr) is screwed into the side of the fuel distributor.



    But before you dig into fuel pressures and regulators, confirm that the sensor plate in your distributor is free, clear, clean, centered, and swings up properly.




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    The 240 Turbo's don't use an ECU in the sense you are referring to. They have a Lamda Sond computer that fine tunes the mixture by varying the duty cycle of the frequency valve. The frequency valve could be the culprit. I don't have a wiring diagram handy, but, I think the cold start injector is seperate of the fuel source to the other injectors.



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    Sorry about that! You're talking K Jetronic for an '85 Turbo -no AMM. I scrolled the top line off the screen so I only saw the "ECU" and a "244 DL" in your sig line so I jumped to conclusions of an LH Jetronic system. The fact you were talking about a cold start injector apparently didn't register either.

    I'm not much of a K Jet expert, but it sounds to me like the control pressure regulator in your fuel system isn't getting a signal. It's powered by the injector relay (aka. main or system relay) which is controlled by an impulse signal from the ignition system. That in turn requires an rpm signal from the Hall Effect sensor. The easier thing to deal with is the injector relay so maybe check it out first (try re-soldering), but for a no-start condition I'm guessing the Hall Effect sensor is your problem. There's a fair bit of information on this in the 700/900 FAQ on this site (a lot of it applies to 240's, though locations and wiring may be different).

    If you're lucky, one of the real experts will confirm this diagnsosis or point you in the right direction.




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    I agree with Dave. That would be the first ECU failure in a B221FT that I know of. Very unlikely.



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    Likely not your ECU, you've got the LH 2.2 which is mildly robust. Could well be a faulty AMM though. A quick check is to unplug the electrical connector for the AMM (with ignition off!!!) and then try restarting. If it now starts and runs (even poorly) then that is likely your problem. That test puts the ECU in "limp home mode" where it ignores most of the input signals and runs the engine using basic settings. I'm half-confident you'll find that's it as I've seen those exact symptoms before on an '85. Next most likely would probably be the Hall Effect sensor on the distributor.



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      What are you guys talking about? He said 85 240 turbo. That car runs the mechanical CIS fuel injection system. There is no injector relay, no AMM, no ECU with a limp home mode. That system is almost purely mechanical.



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        Quite right, Roy. As you'll note in my second post, that started to dawn on me later. I said I was no K-Jet expert -kinda obvious.

        Technically speaking I'll say a B21FT does have an ECU, but around these parts when anyone is talking ECU they're generally talking a computerized FCU with some kind of IQ like the LH Jetronic system. ECU is a term that refers collectively to all components of the engine management system which are primarily electronic, as opposed to mechanical or electrical. That includes the FCU (fuel/air stuff) plus ICU (ignition stuff).

        Now see if I've got my story straight. The K-Jet system on an '84/'85 turbo (B21FT) includes:

        o the Bosch TZ pointless ignition system, with input from the induction coil in the distributor, which provides a timed spark;

        o the constant idle system consisting of the CIS control unit, with inputs from the ignition coil (rpm), throttle micro-switch, A/C micro-switch and block temp sensor, which controls the idle speed by way of the idle air valve/motor and an idle boost solenoid valve;

        o the K-Jet injection system consisting of the Lambda-sond control unit, with inputs from the O2 sensor and turbo pressure switches, which controls the fuel mix by way of the frequency valve which is ahead of the purely mechanical control pressure regulator (CPR) and fuel distributor (operated by air flow damper) which feeds the injectors.

        Some of the more common no-start problem areas in the above appear to be bad frequency valves, bad Lambda system relays and bad wiring harnesses. The electronic units themselves are considered fairly robust.

        Is that better?



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