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Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

What would be a better used car buy: a 1988 Volvo 240 DL sedan with 141,000 mi., or a 1987 Renault Alliance convertible with 101,000 mi.? What are the good and bad points of the two vehicles?








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    Re: Renault friendly site 200 1988

    Here's a site where Renaults are admired:

    http://www.users.wineasy.se/katriina/









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    Re: Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

    You should buy both.The AMC/Renault alliance is now very rare & the convertable is even more rare.I am sure it will appreciate in Value over the coming years.Just keep it in a garage in cold storage away from the elements & you will have a classic that will get you a pretty penny in 10 or so years.Buy the Volvo & use that as your driver since the Alliance is not worth "shine" as a practical automobile.When you are done with the Volvo in 10 years,Sell both & get a really nice Volvo!








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      Re: Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

      rarity does not lend itself to value

      Ive been trying to sell my father-in-laws '66 Plymouth Fury and have had no interest from ebay, hemmings, Auto Trader, nor from local (Dallas) papers - value is based on the market and who (with all the knowledge we have) would buy that Appliance as a "collectible" other than maybe to fit into the weird crap category

      a friend of mine once won an '86 Alliance convertible in some contest (in 1986) and it was crap after 30K








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    Re: Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

    Are you kidding? Is there ANYTHING to compare between these two marques?

    One is safe, one is not.

    One is reliable, one is not.

    One is durable, one is not.

    One has dealer support, one does not.

    One has internet forum, one does not-not readily identifiable.

    Both have a reputation.

    Hope you make the right choice!

    PS-Any well worn Volvo is better than two thirds of the new cars you can buy...









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    Re: Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

    It looks like you have plenty of great advice about which car to buy. I think there's one question you have to ask yourself:

    "How bad do I want a convertible?"

    Hopefully it's not bad enough that you would pass on the safety and reliability (among other advantages) of the Volvo 240.

    Buy the 240.








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    Re: Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

    The Appliance was a chunk of sh*t.

    Look at how many of them survive to this day, and how many high-mileage Volvos live on and on and on.

    Also, like someone mentioned, parts for the Volvo are very available, and mostly pretty cheap on the whole. And the Volvo will save your life instead of taking it, if crashed. Parts for the Appliance are expensive and hard to find, at least in the States. That I know because I had a big commercial lawn mower that had Alliance parts in it (no kidding).








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      Re: Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

      If you part out that lawn mower, let me know. I need stuff for my '83

      Alliance. The lawn mower probably had the big engine (1.7), so few

      parts may fit my 1.4 powered 'chunk'.









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        Re: Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

        Well, the engine stopped oiling last summer so all the rod bearings spun and smeared onto the crank. It threw it's Renault water pump too, but that got replaced. The crank was reground and new bearings installed, and voila, back just like new.

        Try finding a Renault water pump... it isn't easy. The funny thing is that AMC used to be located 30 miles from here... Alliances were plentiful. Not even the parts yards have any of them left, and even on the streets of Kenosha, WI, home of AMC, there are very few of them. Mostly the first-run Jeep Cherokees and still a few 4wd Eagle station wagons with the indestructable 4.3L inline 6. But no Alliances. They are long dead. Which is too bad. I could've used lawn mower parts for cheaper than the landscape store was offering, but no luck.








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    Re: Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

    The renault was one of the worst crashing automobiles ever made. I don't remember the exact horrifying numbers for the amount of force various parts of your body would experience, but I do remember that in a 35mph frontal collision, not only would your femurs be snapped in half and driven through the back of your seat, and the steering wheel thrust directly through your chest, but your head would pop like a melon hit with 00-buckshot. I feel much safer on a motorcycle. I am very serious.

    Just something to consider.








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    Re: Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

    Is this a joke? Having owned an 85 reliance, I can catagorically state: It is a smooth running car, fairly peppy, and lasts about 60,000 mi. After that: Plastic radiator begins to leak, unrepairable, engine overheats and needs head work. Also drain plug is notorious for falling out of: tranny, engine, radiator. Disaster. French plastic is poor (this from a dyed in the wool Peugeot owner from 1965 to 2000, just sold the last one). Cloth seats are ok, leather very poor. Don't know about the top, but assume the same quality as seats. Electrical: oh boy! First to go is headlamp combo switch. Ignition switch a close second (two over life of car)(but the're reasonably cheap so buy two at once)(save a trip to the dealer) Did I say dealer? there aren't any left. Finally do yourself a favor and disconnect the EGR and PCV hoses to the intake box. They clog up and force gallons of oil out the seals. Have I forgotten anything? Oh yes, mine was a very lovely light bronze color. i rmn & etc.. Jim A.








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    Re: Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

    ANYTHING would be better than a Renault. Check out the service and repair history for this type of car. It was and is a piece of junk. It sounds like an opinion, but it is fact.








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      Re: Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

      It sounds like an opinion, but it is fact.

      It sounds like opinion, and it is.

      My wife had a Volvo, a 760. It was the single worst-built car either of us has ever owned. It had relatively low mileage, and we finally realized it was because it spent all its time in the shop. I found this Brickboard, and I thought, great! no other car has such a good fix-it resource. Well, guys, maybe it's because most don't NEED it! Finally she blew the engine (yes, the french engine, but this was plumbing failure and driver error, our real troubles with the car were with everything else, especially electrical) and I was actually relieved to see it go.

      Meanwhile, my '86 Encore (hatchback version of the Alliance, also designed by Renault but built by AMC) with 100,000 miles starts and runs with no fuss and perfect reliability every day (now I've jinxed myself!), gets a hair under 50 mpg on the highway, has a nimble, fun-to-drive feel, and no rust at all anywhere, here in Maine rust country. Service and repair has definitely not been a problem for this car.

      Bottom line, I think it depends on the individual car and driver. I won't have another Volvo, and I get a kind of knowing smile when I see 'em, but if you're willing to spend a lot of time and/or money fixing, yes, they'll probably last more miles. The Renault shows no sign of giving up, but I don't expect more than maybe another 50,000 out of it. I've been in a minor crash in the Renault and it did fine by both of us, but in a serious one I'd rather be in the Volvo. Then I'd be rid of it, and I could go on driving the Renault!









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        Re: Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

        I'm wondering why someone who dislikes Volvos would scan the message board at a Volvo website.








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        Re: Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

        I dont even need to call a person with these opinions on this site by any name-others have names as well.

        The 760 had a not so great engine and of course it had electrical problems, with so many excessively engineered electrical components things can happen. But, when one learns a little about a Volvo the rest starts to come into sharper focus. Ususally the electrical problems you refer to can be resolved by cleaning off the contacts. Living in Maine I know you get a lot of humidity which can be even more devastating to electrical contacts.

        BTW why do you even come here? Maybe you really do know that what you say, "I won't have another Volvo, ...", you do not actually believe. There is no information for you here about your Renault, so why visit? The little man in your head might be telling you more than you want to accept - it costs money to own a car. A car is not an investment it is transportation.

        I am on my second Volvo - after owning 8 cars before and it is by far the best built vehicle on the road. Sure it doesn't drive like the "nimble, fun-to-drive.." Renault, it handle the bumps like a truck and doesn't shy away from the washboards I know maine has.

        I bought an '96 Accord recently , and wish i hadnt made that mistake- the accord is a little cracker box that rides like the tiny car it is.

        Some call it "nimble" i call it by other names.

        Do you have any service luck on your Renault being close to Montreal and French-Canadians?

        slabbyrich

        84 245 GLT t 185K, 85 244 DL 160K and in MINT condition








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    Re: Volvo 240 vs. Renault Alliance (R-9) 200 1988

    I would go with the renault. When the engine melts down, next week, the convertable top makes it much easier to transform the car into a planter. With the volvo it would still be taking up space in the garage and requier insurnace since it would still be running.

    Really go with the 240 not only can you still buy parts, it is safe. also at 101,000 miles, the renalt is really at the end of its useful life and the 240 with 140,000 miles is 1/2 to 2/3s of teh way through its uselful life.








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      speedo still work? 200 1988

      My wife had a renault allinace that went through three speedos. Since you do not have a dealer in your country,you do live in North America don't you, Check the local wreckers for parts availibility first. Her automatic transmission failed a month before we got married and no one in cALIFORNIA had one to replace it with and no one really wanted to rebuild it either so we dumped the car.

      Bill D.







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