posted by
someone claiming to be john l
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Thu Nov 9 21:05 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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ok, it just started getting cold here last night.
this brought to my attention the fact that I can't get
my 245dl into overdrive until the temp gauge is past the half
way mark.
in addition to this, the trans is a little more than a bit slushy
before that point.
I assume that the interlock switch that is supposed to detect that
I'm in 4th gear before it lets me hit OD is stuck due to the cold.
I also assume that the lever is hard to operate for the same reason.
she works just fine warm, but I work right next to the interstate.
so it's pretty much 0-75mph in 1 minute, takes 3 for the overdrive
to engage.. it's hurting my mileage ;-)
solutions? should I replace the trans oil with a thinner grade?
replace the switch?
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posted by
someone claiming to be Neal Abramson
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Fri Nov 10 00:57 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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If it is a Manual M-46 transmission you need a new 4th gear switch.I had this myself so I know.You also need a new headpipe gasket as you will have to detach the exhaust pipe & lower the rear trans cradle(Turn out driver side bolts about an inch & remove passenger side bolts & lower with jack).You also need a 22mm deep socket or you can use a 7/8" socket as a substituit.
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posted by
someone claiming to be john l
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Fri Nov 10 09:43 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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where did you get the new switch?
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posted by
someone claiming to be Mike W.
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Fri Nov 10 10:22 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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John:
IPD has 'em for $21. And to answer your other question, I've used Valvoline Syntec 10W-30 in the M46 trans of my '85 245 DL for several years with no problems, but Paul Seminara has me convinced to change it to Amsoil next time it's due.
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posted by
someone claiming to be john l
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Fri Nov 10 21:04 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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> IPD has 'em for $21. And to answer your other question, I've used
> Valvoline Syntec 10W-30 in the M46 trans of my '85 245 DL for several
> years with no problems, but Paul Seminara has me convinced to change
> it to Amsoil next time it's due.
first off: thanks.
secondly is there any reason why? do you think I'd be making a
mistake by not going the Amsoil route?
thirdmost, is your wagon blue as well?
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posted by
someone claiming to be Mike W.
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Sat Nov 11 12:50 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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John:
Looks like the experts (Don and Duane) have trouble shot your problem. But to answer your question(s) - I'm fairly convinced that the hype surrounding synthetic oil is true - cooler and cleaner running. I've converted two of the cars under my care (wife's '90 244 and daughter's '95 Chevy) and they DO run a bit cooler, and the engines have cleaned up nicely. I haven't converted my other Volvos yet, because all of them have rear main seal leaks, and I need to address those first. But I've run the Valvoline 10W-30 synth in the tranny of the '85 for several years. The Volvo manual said that this was a suitable replacement for ATF where the temperature stays warm, as it certainly does here!
Finally, no, my wagons (I have two, an '85 and an '87) are not blue. The '85 is beige (probably the most vilified Volvo color) and the '87 is ivory (second most vilified Volvo color, probably cause it's close to beige). I read a novel recently where one of the characters was described as the "most boring man in the world" because he drove a beige Volvo station wagon. Since I have (essentially) TWO beige Volvo wagons, what does that make me? (don't answer this question!)
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posted by
someone claiming to be john l
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Sat Nov 11 20:22 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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> The Volvo manual said that this
> was a suitable replacement for ATF where the temperature stays warm,
> as it certainly does here!
I didn't find the volvo manual to be very clear on this issue.
it gets extremely hot, and extremely cold here. will the 10w-30 be
suitable for me? also, is it ok to mix synth oil and ATF in the
trans? (I won't know what's in the damn thing until I pull the drain plug
and I don't want to mix conflicting goop)
thanks - john (who has already perchased several bottles of VL 10w-30 synth
for the job [this morning])
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posted by
someone claiming to be Don Foster
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Sat Nov 11 00:02 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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"...thirdmost, is your wagon blue as well?"
The blue ones are the best. I have two '82 blue wagons one turbo, one not. Both have had ALL the relays resoldered as a precaution.
(Except the non-turbo, which let me down one night with a bad. fuel pump relay. But a paper clip sufficed to run the pump and get me home. That's when I decided to resolder all.)
Don Foster (near Cape Cod, MA)
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posted by
someone claiming to be Don Foster
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Thu Nov 9 22:33 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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"...I'm in 4th gear before..."
So it's a manual tranny, not an automatic? (The manual has 4 gears before OD shifts, the automatic has three gears before OD engages.)
"...a little more than a bit slushy..."
A "slushy" manual tranny?
When it refuses to shift into OD, is the indicator light on or off? Does the light track with the lazy OD?
"...replace the trans oil with a thinner grade?"
Maybe this might be a good reason to use Amsoil, since synthetics are more temperature-stable than regular oil.
Don Foster (near Cape Cod, MA)
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posted by
someone claiming to be john l
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Fri Nov 10 09:54 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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Don Foster wrote:
> So it's a manual tranny, not an automatic? (The manual has 4 gears
> before OD shifts, the automatic has three gears before OD engages.)
I smell logic in the wind ;-)
> A "slushy" manual tranny?
yes, when cold it seems as though the oil is too viscous.. almost
as if it were "slushy".
> When it refuses to shift into OD, is the indicator light on or off?
> Does the light track with the lazy OD?
the OD and the light work fine.. it just won't let me turn it on
until the trans is hot.
> "...replace the trans oil with a thinner grade?"
> Maybe - this might be a good reason to use Amsoil, since
> synthetics are more temperature-stable than regular oil.
yeah, this is what I'm worried about. it's not as cold as it's
going to get, and I don't want to have any more trouble with it.
I've gone through the service records, and I can't find a trans
oil change in there anyplace, so I gather that it's still on the
original goop. the engine is filled with Valvoline Syntech (
so I discovered), and that seems to be doing a great job.
any thoughts on using a valvoline synth in the trans?
I can't find any amsoil in my area.
> Don Foster (near Cape Cod, MA)
John Liles (right the *%$@ in the middle of Memphis, TN)
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posted by
someone claiming to be Don Foster
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Fri Nov 10 11:00 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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John, I'm not sure I got clear answers.
Your car is a manual transmission?
"...when cold it seems as though the oil is too viscous..."
Do you mean that you've measured the viscosity? Or do you mean that when cold, it shifts hard?
"...the OD and the light work fine...won't let me turn it on until the trans is hot..."
Please explain this more. Do you mean that you push the button and nothing happens (with either the OD or the light), or do you mean that the indicator light comes on but the OD doesn't engage?
If the light remains off in the cold (when you push the button), then I'd say the relay is balky. But you could also have a bad push button or wire from button to relay. Howeverm I've never heard of temperature-sensitive push buttons (whereas I have seen relays respond to temp).
Whatever, resolder the relay.
Don Foster (near Cape Cod, MA)
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posted by
someone claiming to be john l
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Fri Nov 10 21:16 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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Don Foster wrote:
> John, I'm not sure I got clear answers.
> Your car is a manual transmission?
yes.
> Do you mean that you've measured the viscosity? Or do you mean that
> when cold, it shifts hard?
the latter, but for the most part I don't see much difference.
> Please explain this more. Do you mean that you push the button and
> nothing happens (with either the OD or the light), or do you mean
> that the indicator light comes on but the OD doesn't engage?
nothing happens.. here's the sequence of events:
start car in cold.
get on interstate.
drive car, helpless in fourth gear.
wait, drive on, and hope that the temp gauge hits warm before the cops pull me over for driving too slow.
(the temp gauge hits the middle point)
now, finally, pushing the OD button actually engages the overdrive (and
the light)
as an added note, if the car is still warm the next time I start
it the OD switch operates as noraml.
> If the light remains off in the cold (when you push the button), then
> I'd say the relay is balky. But you could also have a bad push button
> or wire from button to relay. Howeverm I've never heard of
> temperature-sensitive push buttons (whereas I have seen relays
> respond to temp).
are you sure that this could be caused by the relay?
I had to resolder the fule pump relay in another volvo, but it
didn't have a tempature related failure.
any tips&tricks for dealing with the OD relay?
> Whatever, resolder the relay.
easy for you to say; it's cold outside.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Don Foster
on
Sat Nov 11 02:12 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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Oooooohhhhhhhh..........
Duane is right!! On a manual tranny, the OD lockout switch could easily be temp sensitive, and IS part of the circuit along with the push button and wire to the push button.
Unfortunately, it's not nearly as comfortable a repair job as the relay. So start with the free, easy, and comfortable task. Even if it's not the problem, it would otherwise fail at some pointso soldering now preempts a later problem.
And while your iron's hot, solder the fuel pump relay. It's just as easy, and a pump relay glitch is much more irritating.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Duane
on
Sat Nov 11 01:23 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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Finally enough information. First, remove the glove box and the light for it. Remove the relay and take it into the house overnight. Keep it toasty warm. In the morning, start car replace relay, drive. If OD now works, concentrate on relay. IF still same symptoms, replace 4th gear switch on right side of tranny.
Duane
83-245 LH 2.0 M46 205xxx
85-245 LH 2.2 AW70 138xxx
Overland Park, Kansas
The OD Guru (Laycock only)
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posted by
someone claiming to be Don Foster
on
Sat Nov 11 00:19 CST 2000 [ RELATED]
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"...nothing happens..."
Resolder the relay. It costs $0, takes 15 minutes, and has zero risk. If it helps, great! But if not, you're out $0.
"...are you sure that this could be caused by the relay?"
Yes, or the push button or wire to the button. The OD indicator light is the key. Its functioning is completely independant of the OD, solenoid, or wiring to the solenoid. It depends only on the electronic logic 'n operation of the relay. It tells you ONLY that the relay has pulled in. On=pulled in, not on=not pulled in.
It could possibly be a temperature-sensitive fuse, but I've never seen one.
"...tips&tricks for dealing with the OD relay?"
Well, it's easy to deal with. You do it all by just sitting around.
Remove the glove box (7 screws), and look in and to the left about 4" and 4". The relay is clipped to a horizontal metal strut and usually buried under a buncha harnesses. Remove and discard the clipit causes more trouble than it's worth (often squeezes the plastic cover so much it binds against the relay).
"...easy for you to say; it's cold outside..."
Unplug the relay and go inside resolder in the warmth of your home.
Don Foster (near Cape Cod, MA)
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