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Hi all,
I got the 9003/H4 Luxster Punisher LED from Amazon rated at a whopping 70 watts per lamp.
Here's the results in the 940 E-code housing.
It has a separate lamp driver module built into a heat sink in the harness
with shielded cable that fits Ok in the 940 lamp housing.
This package includes a pair of 2X3 LED chips on each side of the center post with the lower one for high beams and the upper one for low beams. (only one on at a time) The upper chip for low beams is partially blocked so only one vertical row of the 2X3 CSP chip is active, with the other covered.
They tested out at 70 watts for high and low beams after being on for over a minute.
The high beam was very good with a tight pattern and measured higher than my
current Hikari 2022 LEDs, but only slightly higher in light output
The Low beam was not a tight beam, It had a sharp high and low cutoff but
was not the desired tight pattern since it was 180 degrees wide.
The killer was the low beam light output was about half of the brightness
of the 16 watt Hikari and using 70 watts of power.
These results were made using a Weston Universal light meter against a big piece of cardboard measured a foot away from the average bright spots.
It's certainly a crude measurement system, but useful for comparing two
LED packages. This is something impossible to do with the specs given by
LED merchants that are mostly useless. Nowhere do they include items about
LED chip performance Luminous Flux/watt, or what is disgraceful, no specs for
high and low beam for current, and lumens etc.
The differences between the Hikari 2022 and the Luxster Punisher 2023
the Luxster set uses a total of 140 watts and the Hikari uses 32 watts.
The Luxster has twin 2X3 LED chip modules on both sides of the center post.
The Hikari has a single 2X3 CSP module on either side of the post.
Only one of the modules can be at the focal point of the reflector.
The Luxster driver must include a lossy load resistor whether you need it or not
Results may vary in different housings for patterns but not for the power used.
MacDuff if you're listening: I can't recommend an LED for an AWD that I know nothing about. The first issue being does it fit in your housing.
I'm disappointed that you can't cooperate to measure the current draw in your
Auxito LEDs. Now it's certain that current draw isn't a good enough way to review LEDs. What the public needs is honest technical facts from engineering
data sheets about LED's and not the dummied down specs you get from the merchants, often straight up lies.
I don't expect the merchants to improve their integrity, so direct comparisons
like above might help.
Happy motoring all, Bill
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Interesting product name, "Punisher."
What is being punished? The eyeballs of oncoming drivers?
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'79 242, '84 DL 2 door, '80 DL 2 door, '89 DL Wagon, '15 XC70 T6 AWD
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Hiya Bulletproof,
Some Amazon salesman named that LED.
They needed something to fill the ad since a bulk of technical info is absent.
There's ads way worse. Goto Ebay and look up "10000 Watt 9004 LED"
See how many jokers sell 10KW headlights, and while there be in awe of their
specs for Lumens.
Quiz: How many KW does a B230FT produce?
The Luxter Punisher actually has a very good high beam pattern and wont punsih
enemy motorists unless you forgot to adjust it right.
What are you using for headlights?
I'm hoping that Art Benstein gets interested in LEDs and helps to drag
more of the gang out of the darkness.
Cheers, Bill
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Hi, Bill
You asked, "What are you using for headlights?"
I think we discussed this before but I am still using halogen because I haven't seen an LED replacement that will not interfere with the headlight cluster dust cover (and I am not running without the dust cover). Except maybe this one:
LasFit LCair Series
If that link doesn't work copy/paste this: https://www.lasfit.com/products/9005-led-headlight-bulbs-lcair-series
I don't have to tell you they ain't cheap. But I am. I would spend the money at some point but I would want to be sure they would fit and also not negatively affect the cluster.
But that is not my only concern. All this watts/lumens stuff is Greek to me. The Lasfit product I mentioned says it's 70 watts. Is that actually 70 watts or is that the LED equivalent of a 70 watt halogen bulb? How hot are these going to be?
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'79 242, '84 DL 2 door, '80 DL 2 door, '89 DL Wagon, '15 XC70 T6 AWD
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Hi Bulletproof,
What car are do you have?
You should be looking at a dual beam headlight for RWD.
9003 or 9004 and the the e-code has a different connector than DOT lamp.
But otherwise they are identical and fit into the same housing.
Yes many early LEDs were big, plus they had bulky driver modules built into the
harness and it was a hassle to fit in the Volvo housing. Some would not fit at all. Now is different, the manufacturers make the LEDs the same size and the go in without any headaches.
I had good luck with the old 50 watt Lasfit set, but sent the 60 watt set back.
Lasfit is a good company in that their specs are better than most.
As time goes on and new LED chips deliver more luminous flux per watt,
the older LED packages are less desirable.
I don't know anything about that 70 Watt Lasfit.
The price of LEDs has dropped a lot, every year, and the performance has
continually improved. There's some new LEDs that are very high priced when they are first released. After a year or so you can get them way cheaper.
I see the high end halogens are very pricey, and I found that they also have very short life expectancy, especially if your voltage regulator goes high.
The better LEDs have long life, more light, less heat. The newest LEDs
deliver more light per watt, making earlier LED chips obsolete.
Unfortunately the salesmen don't provide much engineering data.
The Brickboard server has been very unpredictable lately and very browser
restrictive. Leave an email link, and I'll try to help you if Brickboard
continues to gag.
You'll be a happy camper once you get a decent set of LED headlights.
Halogens are obsolete.
Bill
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What car? Well, strictly speaking I am in the wrong forum. The car that won't accept LED replacement bulbs is my XC70. Yes, If it were my old 240 this would be no problem, provided I had switched to E codes w/ replaceable bulbs.
I have not found the halogens to have a short life span. I'm still on the same bulbs that were in my car when I bought it seven years ago.
So how hot does a 70 watt LED bulb get?
Yes the BB server has been flakey for a while. It seems like it's only a matter of time before there may not be a BrickBoard anymore.
Halogens are not obsolete, they are obsolescent.
I do not enjoy camping anyway.
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'79 242, '84 DL 2 door, '80 DL 2 door, '89 DL Wagon, '15 XC70 T6 AWD
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Hi Bulletpoof,
>The car that won't accept LED replacement bulbs is my XC70.
Is your standard lamp a 9005 or H-11?
Have you tried and failed?
My local friend just put a set of Rimthhin (Amazon) LEDs and he likes them.
See here for about $27, less money than high end halogens:
Select what lamp fits your car. Verify fitment with Amazon, send them back if it
doesn't fit.
https://www.amazon.com/rimthin-H11-Bulbs-Lights-Waterproof/dp/B0DCBFL289
>Yes, If it were my old 240 this would be no problem, provided I had switched to E codes w/ replaceable bulbs.
Yes, it would not e a problem either way since you order either a 9003 OR a 9004. The only difference being the connector.
>I have not found the halogens to have a short life span. I'm still on the same >bulbs that were in my car when I bought it seven years ago.
Some people hit the Billion dollar lottery.
Go here and read from the car wizards:
https://www.autozone.com/diy/headlight/what-are-the-different-types-of-headlight-bulbs
Halogen bulbs typically last around 500- 1,000 hours,
HID bulbs around 2,000 to 3,000 hours
LED bulbs can last 25,000 hours or more. (Forget fanless LED headlights)
Replacement frequency depends on usage and individual bulb lifespan.
>So how hot does a 70 watt LED bulb get?
The LED junctions get hot, that's what the heat sink and fans are about.
Overall LED's make more light than heat and halogens make more heat than light.
That's why LED's are more efficient. What you want is the most light with the
lowest power input.
Read this article about controlling LED junction temperatures
https://www.auxito.com/blogs/news/auto-led-headlight-bulb-heat-dissipation#mark-2
The wiring in my 850 headlight housing was baked from the original halogen heaters and the housings with halogens are essentially toaster ovens.
This is a benefit in snow and ice storms only.
It's also a PIA when the insulation starts falling off your headlight wiring.
Volvo doesn't use Teflon insulated wire to withstand that heat.
Read "Kittys Gray Volvo" recent posts about LEDs and "CRAPPY HALOGENS", finally a believer in LED headlights after a year of me bending his ear.
Have a happy weekend, Bill
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Is your standard lamp a 9005 or H-11?
H11
Have you tried and failed?
No. I don't need to. It's obvious that most LED replacements won't fit because you cannot install the dust cap once the bulb is in place. I cited the Lasfit product because they make a point of showing the replacement compared to the halogen and it looks possible. Only that particular bulb though. The rest of their bulbs are not going to work. There is another bulb among the Auxito products that also looks like it will fit. But that is still not enough to get me to buy these items.
I need to talk to some other XC70 owners and find out what, if anything has worked for them.
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'79 242, '84 DL 2 door, '80 DL 2 door, '89 DL Wagon, '15 XC70 T6 AWD
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Bill, that's an excellent review of these LEDs.
a) Drawing 70 Watts each is getting close to pushing the limits of the 700/900 headlight electrical wiring designed for a stock 35 Watt bulb, especially the current through the bulb out sensor. I'd consider driving those with a remote relay and 12 gauge battery source wiring behind each headlamp assembly. I'd also double check to make sure the bulb connectors don't get warm and start to melt, especially with DRL oin hot weather. That's a known problem area with our 700/900 headlight connectors. One of my 940s came with this issue and it started to get worse. Once the plastic starts to get soft, the terminals may not fully seat, which makes for added resistance, more heat and more melting, ultimately leading to the connectors having to be cut off and replaced. I occassionally peel back the boots and push the wires in to make sure they're staying fully seated, also pull back the boot a bit to compress the connections when it's put back.
b) People should note you're using the Luxster Punisher LED's in the Eurpopean E-code halogen headlight reflector designed for the stock halogen 9003/H4 bulbs used by Volvo in the non-North American market. The 940s in North America used the crappy 9004 halogen bulbs designed by Ford that needed a very different large reflector to try to improve the beam pattern and brightness on the road ahead.
c) I'd be interested in your comments about using those Luxsters under varying driving conditions, especially at night on dimly lit, twisty, hilly roads with oncoming traffic where you've had a friend driving the other way to say how blinding they are.
d) And finally, holy shzt, those bulbs must be bright enough to do a finger puppet show on the surface of the moon. In our old age, your cataracts can get as thick as they want and you'll still be able to see. :)) The Luxster Punisher 9003s are rated at 20,000 lumens (40,000 lumens per pair is how they're typically advertised). That's double the brightness of many LED headlights (such as the Auxito 9004s I'm using) and almost SEVEN/u> times the 3,000 lumen maximum brightness allowed by DOT in a halogen reflector. They're of course nowhere near street legal, only legal for offroad use.
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Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now
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Hi Dave,
The standard dual headlamp for the 940 is 65/40 watts.
If the lamp connectors get corrosion then you have troubles.
You can use Penetrox or careful application of conductive anti seize nickel or copper.
Yes, The reflector and especially the glass lens is different in the E-code
so results may vary some with the DOT setup. I do feel that the DOT setups can all benefit from an upgrade from crappy halogens.
I looked just now on Amazon and things have changed a lot in the past few weeks.
I don't see the 2022 Hikari listed which is a very nice package, but there's a new listing for a 2025 Hikari that looks good and is priced reasonably.
I never took the Luxster on the road, since it had such a flop of a low beam.
way less light and a lousy pattern and using over 400% more power.
I sent it back, since I use the low beams for DRL.
Don't be obsessed with blinding oncoming motorists: The Hikari has a sharp
upper cutoff and a tight pattern both high and low. The Luxster High beam patter was just fine. Then make sure you adjust the headlights right.
>d) And finally, holy shzt, those bulbs must be bright enough to do a finger >puppet show on the surface of the moon. In our old age, your cataracts can get >as thick as they want and you'll still be able to see. :)) The Luxster Punisher >9003s are rated at 20,000 lumens (40,000 lumens per pair is how they're >typically advertised). That's double the brightness of many LED headlights >(such as the Auxito 9004s I'm using) and almost SEVEN/u> times the 3,000 lumen >maximum brightness allowed by DOT in a halogen reflector.
You're laboring under the false idea that the merchants specs mean much.
I saw two ads today for 10000 Watt 1000000 lumen LEDs!
A 100 Amp alternator delivers 1400 watts, so you would need 715 100 watt alternators to keep your battery from discharging... I don't think they fit!
Yikes! If they do Colonoscopys on those salesmen, the doctors will find their heads.
There some good packages to use and the prices are dropping fast.
In fact the Luxster punisher dropped $25 since two weeks ago when I bought it.
Hikari's new offering looks good, a 45 watt set for relatively short money.
That would be a good one for Machine man and others to take the plunge and be able to see better at night and in rain and snow. It features a new high effiency LED chip. Hikari has an upgrade plan for their customers a year after you buy. I got these last October so I'll be curious what if anything they offer, and find out soon.
Which exact Auxito headlight do you have, there's so many. Please send a link.
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The Auxito North American distributor has two 9004/HB1 bulbs at the moment, both similarly priced.
The ones I'm using are their newer Q16 design, a cool white bulb at 6,000K, supposedly 10,000 lumens per bulb, 50 watts per bulb, with parallel SMDs that supposedly mimic the halogen filaments a little bit better than the previous design for a more well defined cutoff line. The cooling fan is internal and the housing is no larger than the halogens, so guaranteed to fit. It's listed as 99% compatible with both the newer CANBUS electrical systems as well as the older non-CANBUS systems in our RWDs, so doesn't need a CANBUS adapter like some others. On a good day it gets along fine with our bulb out sensors, but I have gone through periods where it occasionally triggers the warning light (re-soldering the bulb relay seemed to fix that).
https://www.auxito.com/products/9004-led-bulbs
$63/pair (after 10% discount) with free shipping and a one year no hassle, no return warranty. Almost half that price if you shop for a deal on their store in China with only a one month guarantee and no hassle free return shipping.
The bulb I originally wanted was their previous design (below). They weren't quite as bright at 7,500 lumens per bulb (6,000 lumens low beam, so a little closer to the DOT 3,000 lumen limit), also drawing less power at 30 watts per bulb, but a colder, harsher white at 6,500K. It's apparently still available in North America at basically the same price as the Q16, but apparently not from China as they substituted the Q16 in both my orders (I've now done both my 940s with the Q16s). You can tell the difference by looking at the SMD layout. The earlier design has slightly offset SMDs, the newer one is exactly parallel, otherwise it looks identical to the Q16
https://www.auxito.com/products/9004-led-headlight-bulb-12000lm
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Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now
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