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Temperature sender Banjo bolt leaks 444-544

I recently installed a new temperature guage & sender unit in my B20 engine. The banjo bolt leaks and I can't get it to stop. I've tightened it sufficiently in the head, and I've even applied a thin coat of thread sealer. Nada. Once the temperature rises to normal in the engine, coolant oozes out under the top flange of the bolt when it's tightened to the head. How can I get this to stop?








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    Temperature sender Banjo bolt leaks 444-544

    Thanks Eric.
    I did what you suggested and didn't do the "hang below the dash" an aftermarket temperature guage. I got the new electronic version from Skandix, higher temp one and I really like it. But I can't get the sender unit bolt to seal in the head. Do you know what I can do for this? You mentioned a Turbobricks adaptor or something. I'm at a loss here.
    Thanks.

    P.S. Eric I did the remove the PV seats, lay on my back to install an original guage, and I'm glad I maintained the originality, but I don't know if my back will ever be the same.








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      Temperature sender Banjo bolt leaks 444-544

      I checked Skandix and their picture of the adapter they sell is flat on the bottom and that won't seal inside the head.

      If their sensor has 1/8 NPT threads, the adaptor I mentioned will work.

      I do have some of those adaptors in stock.

      $25.00 shipping included.


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      Eric
      Hi Performance Automotive Service (formerly OVO or Old Volvos Only)
      Torrance, CA 90502
      hiperformanceautoservice.com or oldvolvosonly.com








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        Temperature sender Banjo bolt leaks 444-544

        Eric, many thanks for getting back to me! So I checked my setup and, you're correct, the Skandix main plug is flat on the bottom and not tapered like yours, which I guess would succeed in the seal where the tapered bottom touches the bottom hole in the head opening.
        As much as I can tell, my sensor looks like 28 tpi, quite fine, and is tapered. I wish I could send you a picture. Do you have an email?
        I sure would like to get one of your setups if it would work.








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          Temperature sender Banjo bolt leaks 444-544

          My email is:

          "e_hamlet" a t "hotmail" d o t c o m

          Remove the quote marks and use the proper email formatting.

          FYI, 1/8 NPT is tapered and uses 27 tpi thread pitch, so your measurement was very close.
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          Eric
          Hi Performance Automotive Service (formerly OVO or Old Volvos Only)
          Torrance, CA 90502
          hiperformanceautoservice.com or oldvolvosonly.com








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    Temperature sender Banjo bolt leaks 444-544

    Aftermarket or original temperature gauge?

    To begin with, the threads don't seal the sender, the seat at the bottom of the sender has to push down on the seat inside the head to seal properly.

    If it's an aftermarket sender, then you need to add some washers between the nut and the top of the sender as the aftermarket nuts aren't tall enough to push the sender down far enough to seal up against the seat inside the head.

    If you're using an original water temperature gauge, the seat inside the head might have pits, so putting some sealant on the seat of the sender might get it to seal. I suggest using Permatex #2 non-hardening sealant.
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    Eric
    Hi Performance Automotive Service (formerly OVO or Old Volvos Only)
    Torrance, CA 90502
    hiperformanceautoservice.com or oldvolvosonly.com








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      Temperature sender Banjo bolt leaks 444-544

      Isn't the original thread BSP? The tube part of the sensor doesn't seal on anything , it just hangs into the coolant. If this aftermarket sender is parallel thread it won't seal on a BSP one. The "banjo bolt" is confusing me as that isn't the normal fitting. Some sort of adaptor may be needed.








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        Temperature sender Banjo bolt leaks 444-544

        The threads are Imperial, not British and are 5/8" x 18 tpi. Since the threads aren't a pipe thread, they are not designed to seal.

        I know for a fact that the underside of the flared section near the top of the sensor probe is the sealing surface and the sensors for the stock electronic Volvo water temperature gauges are flared to seal on the same surface.

        The problem with aftermarket mechanical gauges is the nut isn't tall enough to push the probe firmly onto the interior sealing surface inside the port, so spacer washers need to be installed between the nut and the top of the sensor probe.

        FYI, there's a person on Turbobricks.com that fabricates an adapter bushing that allows the use of the 1/8 NPT water temperature sensors used with various aftermarket electronic water temperature gauges and it has the correct length and has the correct shape on the underside to seal the port.

        And in case you didn't know, the B17, B19, B21, B23 and B230 Volvo OHC engines use the same style of sensor and it is also is 5/8" x 18.

        Besides the water temperature sensor port, the oil drain plug on the those OHC engines are also Imperial at 3/4" x 16 tpi.
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        Eric
        Hi Performance Automotive Service (formerly OVO or Old Volvos Only)
        Torrance, CA 90502
        hiperformanceautoservice.com or oldvolvosonly.com








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    Banjo bolts usually have copper crush washers on both sides. Copper is soft and expands better with heat to maintain a seal. You shouldn't re-use copper washers unless you anneal them to soften the copper again. If it still leaks, are the threads damaged or worn? Are the mating surfaces less than perfect?
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    Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now







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