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940 turbo transmission installed in 940 non-turbo 900

I have a '93 940 non-turbo with 300K+ miles. The transmission went out, and I replaced it with one from a '94 940 turbo. I replaced the transmission and the torque converter with the set from the donor 940. I also cleaned the filter and replaced all of the fluid with new fluid.

My 940 now has to reach higher RPMs before it will change to the next higher gear. It's fairly consistent in all gears. All gears work fine including OD, and the kickdown works fine. I've loosened the kickdown cable as much as possible, but the transmission still requires higher RPMs before it will change gears. I'm wondering if this is expected when a transmission from a turbo is installed in a non-turbo. I've double checked the fluid and it looks good. Thoughts?








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    940 turbo transmission installed in 940 non-turbo -gear ratios, lockup torque speeds an kickdown cable 900

    The various AW automatic transmissions that Volvo used were designed to match the different powertrain outputs of the various B23OF, B230FT and B234F engines.

    The gearing is very different in the AW72L trans used with the DOHC 16-valve B234F so on a B230F it will behave quite differently compared to your original AW70L trans. That engines breathes differently, with the torque curve significantly skewed to the right compared to the the similar horsepower of the B230FT turbo, so they re-geared the AW70L to better suit shifting under normal acceleration. I still found the AW72 gearing unsatisfactory for the way I drive: The 1st gear ratio was a bit too low (horrid on ice or in snow, also too easy to spin your wheels starting from a stop on slick pavement), the 1st to 2nd gear shift point was similarly low, making for too large a gap from 2nd to 3rd (which is the 1:1 gear in all the AW trans). They also modified the rear output ratio to better suit overall performance and fuel economy. The AW72L bell housing is also different, with the block mounting offset to match the different mounting angle of the DOHC engine.

    The gear ratios and lock up torque converter speeds for the later 700/900 years with lockup torque converter appear to be as follows:

    AW70L (B230F). (1st) 2.45:1, (2nd) 1.45:1, (3rd) 1:1, (4th/OD) .69:1
    ..... output ratio 4.10, lockup ~75 km/h =~53 mph (ratio 4.10, lockup ~77 km/h =~48 mph for Europe)

    AW71L (B230FT) (1st) 2.45:1, (2nd) 1.45:1, (3rd) 1:1, (4th/OD) .69:1
    .....output ratio 3.73, lockup ~77[*] km/h =~48 mph (ratio 3.91, lockup ~84 km/h =~52 mph for B230K in Europe)

    AW72L (B234FD) (1st) 2.83:1, (2nd) 1.49:1, (3rd) 1:1, (4th/OD) .73:1
    .....output ratio 4.10, lockup ~85 km/hr =~53 mph

    Ref. Volvo Service Manual (TP31642) AW70/AW71/AW72
    The gear ratios for the AW trans without lockup torque can be found in that manual.
    (...If that website is blocked then try using a search engine to get access to the PDF file without the error...)

    [*] suspected typo in manual, says locks up at ~97 km/h (no way, I have both a later AW70L and AW71L and they have similar lockup speeds).

    I just learned something from Randy. I didn't realize the kickdown cable used with the DOHC 16-valve B234F is a bit shorter than that used with the B230F/B230FT engines. That's because the cable bracket on the intake manifold is located slightly further back. An AW70/71 cable should be used with an AW72L trans when mounted to an SOHC B230.

    The longer cable may also fit the B234F, but I'm not sure how much more of a bend it makes that might hasten the wear of the lining inside the cable, or better yet for a new cable would be to pull out the cable and cut the sheathing shorter before re-inserting the cable and clamping on the new ferrel. FYI, when clamping the new ferrel, best to clamp it after adjusting the kickdown so that you leave a bit of a space from the bracket to accommodate later adjustment. The ferrel is only there for crude adjustment and to prevent the cable from retracting down into the sheath.
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    Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now








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      940 turbo transmission installed in 940 non-turbo -gear ratios, lockup torque speeds an kickdown cable 900

      I prematurely submitted the above posted before finishing my notes and the subsequent edit somehow didn't take. The brickboard has had problems doing edits in recent years. The above was a reply to some old transmission post I did that was related to different shift points, gearing and lockup torque speeds with the various trans, including a link to the Volvo AW transmission manual and specs.

      My added notes were to suggest checking the integrity of your kickdown cable to make sure the end is fully seated into the trans, retracts freely when pulled and released (not internally frayed and sticky), then attempt another adjustment starting with the freeplay gap to the little brass ferrel (about 1/8" from the end of the cable nipple as I recall, see the manual) then adjusting loose to hear the pawl on the end of the cable in the transmission kickdown chamber thunk against the bottom of the chamber when plucked then tighten the cable until the thunk just goes away. Gunk in the bottom of the kickdown chamber can prevent you from hearing the thunk and if there's lots of gunk it will affect shifting.
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      Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now








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        940 turbo transmission installed in 940 non-turbo -gear ratios, lockup torque speeds an kickdown cable 900

        I learned many years ago that one difference between an automatic from a non-turbo and turbo cars is that a chamber (or 2) that have "pistons" of sorts in the non turbo version that are left out on the turbo version. The "pistons" (basically a flat disc with a perimeter seal) soften shifts that become crisper with the pistons deleted. - Dave








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    940 turbo transmission installed in 940 non-turbo 900

    Have you tried disconnecting the kick down cable at the throttle spool to see if that affects any change in the shift points?

    I installed a transmission from a b234f car as a replacement in a b230f car only to find it was equipped with a different kick down cable. The transmission was fine but would shift way too soon and the cable length prevented it from being adjusted enough to remedy the problem.

    While I believe that the kick down cable from the b230ft transmission should work on your b230f car it would be easy enough to disconnect it and see if the additional slack offers different shift points.

    Randy
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    Any twenty minute job is just a broken bolt away from a three day ordeal








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      940 turbo transmission installed in 940 non-turbo 900

      Thank you for the advice. This morning before driving to work I disconnected the kickdown cable, and indeed the transmission shifted at lower RPMs through all of the gears. The transmission wouldn't kick down to a lower gear, as would be expected with the kickdown cable disconnected. So, though I thought I had the cable completely loosened before, it must have had a little bit of tension on it. I've now reconnected the cable and adjusted it to where it's almost loose. I'll drive to work again in tomorrow and see how it does, and will let you know.

      Exactly what my engine code is I'm not sure. It has B230 embossed on the lower passenger side of the block, near the oil filter. It's in a '93 940 non-turbo wagon. I didn't make note of the code on the transmission nameplate when I installed it, but it came from a '94 940 turbo sedan.

      Thanks again for your help, and thanks also to the other gentleman who weighed in with some information and suggestions. I'll let y'all know tomorrow how it goes.








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        940 turbo transmission installed in 940 non-turbo 900

        That is good news. Thanks for posting back. I think with a bit of tweaking you will get the performance you are seeking.

        Randy
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        Any twenty minute job is just a broken bolt away from a three day ordeal








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          940 turbo transmission installed in 940 non-turbo 900

          It worked well today.

          The kickdown cable is now adjusted to where there's virtually no tension in it when the throttle is at rest.

          Since the cable has to be that loose in order for the transmission to operate as it should, do you know if that indicates anything about the condition of the transmission or torque converter, such as there being excessive wear in either. I was a bit surprised that such a small adjustment in the tension on the cable, and the cable having to be to where there's virtually no tension in it, would make that much of a difference.

          Thanks again for your help.








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            940 turbo transmission installed in 940 non-turbo 900

            I can’t answer your question with anything more than my best guess. I don’t think the tension on the kick down cable would be any indication of the condition of the transmission or the torque converter.

            I’m happy that your transmission swap has worked out and hope it gives you years of service. One of our 94 940t sedans has 320k on the original transmission and has only received fluid changes at 50k intervals.

            Randy
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            Any twenty minute job is just a broken bolt away from a three day ordeal







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