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1992 745 Turbo not charging and no battery light. 700 1992

Good morning. I have a 1992 745 Turbo wagon. The car is not charging. Everything was fine on the car until I did some upkeep. I pulled the engine replaced seals, belts and repainted the the block. I put a good alternator in the car and it still does not work. Probably nothing was wrong with the original. I then tried swapping in then instrument cluster from my 940 thinking there was possibly something wrong with the charge circuit in the cluster. That did not work either. I’m starting to pull my hair out here. Are there any fuses that I should look at? Computer issues? I could tow it to a show but really don’t want to do that. Thanks for any help!








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    1992 745 Turbo not charging and no battery light. 700 1992

    I smell a missing D+ signal on the back of the alt (small red wire, blue/green in 940s), as Phil mentioned. It's needed to excite the alternator and enable the charging circuit.

    First off, even with the D+ wire disconnected, the alternator will normally kick in by itself if you keep revving it up a fair bit and hold the revs for a moment, like say above 3,000 rpm. Once it's kicked in you can drive as normal. You'll need a voltmeter to know that it's kicked in, but if you're familiar with your engine you can often tell just by noting the alternator is placing a bit of a load on the engine or things like headlamps going brighter. You can maybe give that a try to see if I'm right.

    I'll explain the red ALT charging light on the instrument cluster, which will help you figure out what's likely going on. The wire circuit goes like this, starting from the battery with the ignition switch on (KP-II), voltage passes through the indicator lamp directly to the D+ wire on the back of the alt, then to ground through the alternator, which illuminates the lamp. There is no fuse in the circuit. When the alternator charging circuit then engages, it changes the path to ground and the light goes off.

    If the light won't illuminate in the first place then something along that wiring path is incomplete. Your job is to find that disconnection, which may be anywhere from the battery (cable connection or dead battery), the ignition switch (connectors or internal), the instrument cluster (connections, circuits or a burnt out bulb), or the alternator (connection at the back of the alt, the alt internally or the ground path from the alterntor), or damaged wiring anywhere along the way. Because you've had the engine out, there are two large block connectors that may be involved, one on the left fender up closer to the alt and the other at the left A-pillar (I forget at the moment if it's under the left strut brace in the engine compartment or up under the dash on the very left)

    Switching the instrument cluster from a 940 into a 740 is probably not a great idea until you know it's the likely failure point. You're likely just complicating things as others mention.

    If you can't spot a disconnection or damaged wire then you need to start fault tracing with a voltmeter or test light. A test light may be preferred to make sure enough amps can get through the circuit, also simpler to use as it as a probe. Starting by disconnecting the D+ wire and see if there's voltage between there and chassis ground when the ignition is on (KP-II). That will tell you whether it's an alternator issue or not. If not then the next best test point is at the instrument cluster connections. At that point a proper wiring diagram would become useful, otherwise you'll want to trace the board circuit out to the connector starting at the indicator bulb socket. If the '89 speedometer diagram I'm looking at is the same as yours then one wire os off an edge connector in the centre at the very bottom not far from the bulb that as I recall can become accidentally damaged during removal and installation. There's also a diode involved in the cluster that could be a problem, but I don't recall hearing much about that component failing.
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    Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now








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      1992 745 Turbo not charging and no battery light. 700 1992

      it might be obvious but if he painted the block did he scratch the paint off the alternator ground to engine block point? maybe new paint is preventing good contact there ?








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    1992 745 Turbo not charging and no battery light. 700 1992

    One of my troubleshooting tenets is - what just happened?

    Do not go swapping stuff as you may be introducing other problems.

    You should check over all that you did when you pulled the engine and put it back.

    Check all wiring that you took apart and make sure all your grounds have been restored.

    Pull on some of the wires and see if they come apart. Maybe you broke one of them internally

    WHAT ???? On our 88 745 GLE my daughter had a headlight out. A new headlight did not solve the problem. I had voltage at the plug but no light.

    I pulled on each wire and one of them broke!

    When I stripped the wire, I found a lot of black gunk, but only 1 strand of copper.

    I got a new plug and the wires back to the firewall at the junk yard and connected it in to fix the problem.

    I had 12 volts at the connector, but not enough current to light the bulb.








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    1992 745 Turbo not charging and no battery light. 700 1992

    Hi,

    Just thought I would mention a few things and one is pulling your hair out, doesn’t fix anything and most of us lose it anyway.

    Like hair, you are missing a connection. :-)

    How do you know you are not charging?
    Are you looking at or for an idiot light?
    Do you have a voltage meter in the dash or a hand held VOM? A dash meter is highly recommended.

    On all 5 of my 6 240’s have a dash meter and the one has a digital one with a battery drain warning piezoelectric tone. So I don’t leave the lights on. I Got it in 1979 for that second reason as a plus factor.
    Now they use a non thinker relay system for those other idiots like me.

    The alternator’s housing needs to be grounded by it’s own wire to the engine block.
    The engine block gets its own ground on the other side directly back to the battery.
    I’m not familiar with the mounting location of a 745’s alternator but the principles are the same on all alternators.
    The voltage regulator looks for a potential difference between the housing ground and the systems voltage on the B+ wire. It’s made to hold a set difference.
    B+ Is the big wire coming from the battery VIA the starter motor.
    If that connection, over there, is loose or missing you will get nothing.

    Now there is one more wire that comes from that instrument cluster and it is call a D+ wire.
    It applies a small current to and through the regulator to ground. This excites the windings in the alternator to start an output. From there it’s self regulating of the B+ wire.
    No input on the D+’s wire the alternator does not put out anything.
    When that happens the light stays on.
    If you have no light at ALL, then the wire is not connecting or there’s no ground.

    Disclaimer: The following is not recommended unless you are in a desperate last resort dilemma.
    This bypasses the current limiter built into the cluster.
    If you jumper, by flickering or temporarily holding a connection, from the B+ to the the D+ Connection.
    The alternator will then give out an output if the alternators housing is grounded correctly.

    Recheck all your wiring since you had the engine out of the car. That’s a hard way to change a red blocks seals. IMHO.

    GOOD LUCK

    PHIL








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      1992 745 Turbo not charging and no battery light. 700 1992

      -"That’s a hard way to change a red blocks seals. IMHO."

      True, but I'll bet it looks sweet with the block all painted up new. If I had to do a rear main or input shaft seal, and wanted to paint, I'd have gone that route as well.







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