posted by
someone claiming to be Bill Etherton
on
Fri Jan 29 11:44 CST 2021 [ RELATED]
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Hi all,
I'm relocating for work to an area that gets a lot of snow.
I daily drive a '64 544 that is pretty sound, suspension wise. (The front end has been rebuilt recently and steering is nice and tight). IPD Anti-sway bar is currently installed on the front of the car.
I currently live in a mild climate that gets a bit of rain, but certainly not snow.
I'm curious how well this car will do in snow. At bare minimum, I'm planning to get some Snow tires installed, but I wonder if there's anything else I can do, or if I should consider getting another car to drive during the winter months.
Would installing the rear anti-sway bar help any?
I'd appreciate any feedback you can offer.
Thanks!
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If you decide to drive your beauty in the snow, get some studded tires that are narrow. You would be surprised how narrow that snow tires are on rally cars - narrow tires bite into the snow. BTW, todays snow tires do not have big tread blocks, they have relatively thin grooves to hold snow - snow on snow provides better traction than rubber on snow.
A second set of wheels is handy. You only need 3 because you can use an off-season wheel as a spare.
Check the studded tire rules in your state an any you wish ti drive in.
AAA can provide you with a list of laws - I was completely floored when we wanted to visit my daughter in North Carolina and found out how late in he season we could keep our studded tires on.
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Agreed. With a good set of studded narrow profile stock 165R-15 snows on my 122S, it was me and VW Beetles (same tire size) going where no others could easily go in their heavy RWD Detroit tanks. The type of snow tire you want depends a lot on what you'll want to be driving in. Definitely think narrow and chunky tread, not wide, when it comes to snow and slush. Think wider and grippy soft rubber more for ice traction. Think lots of rain grooves for melted snow and wet slush on pavement.
I also agree that it would be a shame to expose a nice PV544 to any more nasty winter road chemicals than necessary. FWD or AWD will handle better in the snow, add a good set of snow tires and you'll probably be happier and consederably safer than in the 544. Best winter tire I've ever had for the messy mix of winter conditions I drive in are the Continental Contac 3s I have now on my 940 with a combination tread pattern, unfortunately no longer available.
One third is the car, one third is the snow tire and one third is the driver. Enjoy a safe winter in your new location!
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Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now
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It would be interesting to know how the OP made out last winter…
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OP said "I currently live in a mild climate that gets a bit of rain, but certainly not snow." I guess he was fine last winter.
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Bill;
Funny you should question if a car built in the country, a thirds of which is in the Arctic Circle, will be good in snow?...hmmm...I don't think there is much of a question about this, given the 544 renowned rallye success history. But yes, these were expertly driven, and often prepared.
The questionis, do you wish to subject the car to winter condition, including the (higher) risk of damage done by yourself, or others? Also, an large Anti-Sway Bar helps with dry handling, but is not necessarily desirable for snow and conditions of marginal adhesion...always fun, but less forgiving, and requiring increased driver attention...
Reference (PV drifting in snow...it looks quite stock, and yes, you wouldn't deliberately want to be driving around like that [unless you're like me and enjoy the hell out of that!], but showing that the car can be controlled perfectly well under those conditions is the point): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGMJRD-pmhA
PV snow rallye: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO-J5NSjLTw
Cheers
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I would be worried of the other drivers....get a beater car.
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Sure it's possible to drive it in the snow. It was designed and manufactured in a country that gets a lot of snow, and there it would have had to do that from new.
However, having compared snow driving in a 122 to a 245 in one of our rare snow "storms", I would suggest you get something more modern and "disposable" for winter driving and safely lock up the PV544 somewhere dry.
The 122 was so much less "fun" to drive in the snow than the 245 that I never did it again. There was a very thin line between being in control and over- or understeering. The 245 just felt much more stable.
I can't imagine the PV544 being much different in that respect to the 122.
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I drove my 1958 444 1960-67 while living in Iowa, Chicago, Michigan and Utah. Lots of snow driving. It handled the snow well but by 1965 rust was through the front fenders. By the time I sold it, it was badly rusted. I am back in Iowa and my current 444 stays stored winters.
I would never use a PV as a regular driver in winter - whatever they say about what they use on the roads. The combination of spray, snow, slush build ups, etc. will rust it out in my opinion. The PVs have none of the plastic shielding that I think is a big help in keeping modern cars on the road longer.
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I'm with Keith - if you want to keep driving the 544, find something else to drive during the snow season.
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In the mid 60's I had a brand-new 544 when I lived in Cincinnati, which gets a few snows every winter, sometimes 6-8 inches. Cincy is fairly hilly too which makes driving in snow even more tricky. You'll definitely want snow tires (with studs if allowed in your area) but the secret is adding some weight over the drive wheels. With a couple hundred pounds of sand-bags in the trunk, you'll be able to go about anywhere. Later, I had a pick-up truck which are notoriously light in the back-end, but with snow tires & 8 or 10 cement blocks in the bed, (secured of course) I could go lots of places other cars couldn't. The main thing is go slow & try to anticipate what the cars in front of you might do. On snow & ice your brakes are pretty much useless.
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DO NOT PUT A REAR SWAY BAR ON THE 544. A rear bar will promote oversteer--the last thing you want on snow and ice. My first Volvo was a '65 544 in 1975 here on sometimes snowy Long Island. I never had a bit of problems with it. Maybe the tires had a lot to do with it -- I don't know. They were fabric belted Pirelli CF67 radials 165rx15. Tire technology has come a long way since then and 4 winter specific tires will probably be all you'll ever need. The 544 weight distribution is 50/50 to start with.
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Four snow tires might be fine in Denver but won’t cut it in the Rockies or any other large Western mountain range.
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Will I buy another Volvo??? We'll see....
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It is RWD so four snow tires at a minimum. Studded snows are better in heavy snow or mountainous areas. Chains are the best for serious mountain snow.
Sounds idyllic but here is the big BUT...
Where are you relocating? In the Eastern US and Canada a chemical salt combination is used to help melt the ice and maintain traction. Western provinces and states don’t use chemical salt. The salt will eat any car especially an old one with less rust protection than a newer model.
Do you have any snow and ice driving experience? If not and the car is valuable and in good condition you might consider getting a winter beater instead. Driving in snow can be treacherous and nerve wracking.
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Will I buy another Volvo??? We'll see....
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posted by
someone claiming to be Bill Etherton
on
Fri Jan 29 18:01 CST 2021 [ RELATED]
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I'm moving to Denver, CO. I don't think they use salt there.
I've only ever driven in snow with AWD and FWD vehicles.
A second car is starting to make sense, but I'll have limited space (My PV is my only car right now).
This does give me some things to think about. Thanks for the feedback!
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When I owned a 240, I used snow tires and put a couple of concrete blocks in the trunk. It did very well!
If you take it up into the Rockies you could bring chains to supplement the snow tires.
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Will I buy another Volvo??? We'll see....
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Swedish car in a snowy climate - sounds perfect!!
Although if the roads are salted you may want to preserve the 554? O think I would run something disposable.......
Ian F
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maybe you could fit a plastic liner into the wheel wells,,to ward off salt?? ALWAYS use good /snow tires
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posted by
someone claiming to be Bill Etherton
on
Fri Jan 29 17:59 CST 2021 [ RELATED]
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Moving to Denver, CO. They don't use salt as I understand it.
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https://denver.craigslist.org/search/cta?purveyor=owner&hasPic=1&min_price=1000&max_price=5000
Use the above to look for 'winter' drivers.
There is no reason that the 544 with snow tires would be a hazard in the snow. Find a nice car wash and get the under carriage washed when the snow evaporates from the roads.
Unlike the upper midwest and New England, Denver is a very dry climate and snow doesn't last very long. Yes, it does get cold sometimes and it can snow 12 inches all at once, but after 2 days it will be in the 60's and sunny.
Have fun in the hills! Watch out for carburetor jets that don't like to work at 6000ft :)
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Keeping it running is better than buying new
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... so watch the under carriage corrosion as MgCl2 is very corrosive!
Calcium chloride is used further west and is not nearly as corrosive.
Regular table salt road salt ice melt is still terrible.
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Beh.
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I agree!!
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Eric Hi Performance Automotive Service (formerly OVO or Old Volvos Only) Torrance, CA 90502 hiperformanceautoservice.com or oldvolvosonly.com
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Undercoat it too. Fluid film works well, you can do it yourself, better than the pros. You can afford the time to spray things like door locks, get into all the little body channels, blow the dirt off first, etc, etc.
And limited slip doubles the driving wheel count. Weight in the trunk, good tires and you've got a snow beast. Well, except for that ground clearance problem :-(
Drove PV544s and 122 wagons in Vermont in the winter for 25 years. Hoping to again soon.
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