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O2 sensor heater control system 200 1989

posted by  Maxspeed on  Tue Feb 18 02:28 CST 2020
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Hi all, it's been awhile since the last time I was here. My poor old 89 240 has mostly been parked for the last several years. I got it out the other day and noticed that the O2 sensor wasn't working too well. I replaced it with an NTK brand ( I'm not a big fan of Bosch anymore) anyway after replacing it my air control meter stayed at a steady level even after several minutes of warming the engine. If I kept the engine running above an idle it seemed to register correctly. Ok long story short, the O2 sensor is not getting any voltage to the heater side of the sensor. What I need to know is, Where does the O2 sensor get it's heater voltage from and what if any relays are involved? If anyone has a wiring diagram I can refer to or if anyone can just explain the most likely cause for the loss of heater voltage I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for reading my message. Max. P.S. HI Art, been awhile.








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    O2 sensor heater control system 200 1989

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    posted by  Art Benstein on  Tue Feb 18 06:47 CST 2020
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    The oxygen sensor heater shares fuse 4 with the fuel pump in the tank. Fuse 4 is only activated by the fuel pump relay, so it is on with the engine running, but not if you merely turn the ignition key on.
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    Art Benstein near Baltimore

    What engineers say and what they mean by it:
    Engineering says: "Preliminary operational tests are inconclusive"
    Engineers meant: The darn thing blew up when we threw the switch.








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      O2 sensor heater control system 200 1989

      posted by  Maxspeed on  Wed Dec 31 18:00 CST 1969
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      Thanks Art. I knew that it ran off of fuse #4 but didn’t know it was only
      active while running. I’m hoping the relay may have a bad connection on one
      of the contacts as I get power to #4 while running but still no voltage to
      the O2 heater. As long as I’m driving my aftermarket O2 gauge shows it
      working property but when at idle it does not vary from .01 to .09 volts as
      it should and the idle gets a bit rough. I let the car sit for over a year
      and had to pull all the fuses and clean the holders with a brass brush. So
      I thinking the relay may be corroded and need replacing. At least that’s my
      next step, if it doesn’t work after that I guess it’s time to find the
      broken wire. Thanks for your help. Max.







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        O2 sensor heater control system 200 1989

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        posted by  Art Benstein on  Wed Feb 19 09:45 CST 2020
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        The relay gets involved, yes, but if it were the trouble, you wouldn't have any fuel pumps either.

        Sounds like you've made some mods, installing something non-Bosch and something to watch the sensor output. I'd suggest you check over these new connections.

        https://web.archive.org/web/20180417040108/http://www.volvowiringdiagrams.com/volvo/240%20Wiring%20Diagrams/Volvo%20240%201989.pdf

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        Art Benstein near Baltimore

        What engineers say and what they mean by it:
        Engineering says: "Modifications are underway to correct certain minor difficulties"
        Engineers meant: We threw the whole thing out and are starting from scratch.







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          O2 sensor heater control system 200 1989

          posted by  Maxspeed on  Wed Dec 31 18:00 CST 1969
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          Thanks again Art. The O3 gauge I installed has been in there for a little
          over 19 years. I disconnected it just in case but my analog volt meter
          still shows no voltage change while idling. And yes I replaced the Bosch O2
          sensor with an NTK just because of recommendations from other people having
          trouble with the Bosch. But I replaced it because the Bosch was the problem
          originally. It was acting exactly like the new sensor. So my problem to
          begin with was the fact that I can’t get any voltage to the heater side of
          the sensor. I had thought at one time I had seen something about the ECM
          activating the heater but now I can’t find anything about it. I either
          imagined it or I lost the article I was reading. Maybe I’m just getting too
          old to do this stuff anymore. I’ll recheck everything but right now I can’t
          figure out why there’s no voltage. Thanks again







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            O2 sensor heater control system 200 1989

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            posted by  Art Benstein on  Wed Feb 19 15:41 CST 2020
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            Is the NTK sensor you put in a zirconia sensor, or is it a titania sensor? What are the lead colors and how are you determining it isn't getting heated? What is the resistance of the heater cold, and what is it hot (if only from exhaust)? How did you adapt the Volvo-specific Bosch harness to the NTK? Many questions, maybe a few pictures would answer, if no other way.

            The 89 240 didn't "control" the heater for the oxygen sensor. It just feeds it 12V whenever the motor is running.
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            Art Benstein near Baltimore

            What engineers say and what they mean by it:
            Engineering says: "Essentially complete."
            Engineers meant: Half done.








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              O2 sensor heater control system 200 1989

              posted by  Maxspeed on  Wed Dec 31 18:00 CST 1969
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              Thanks for being so patient with this problem. It will be a few days before
              I can get back under it to answer your questions definitely. It’s raining
              now and I hate to get my wherlchair out on the rain plus I have to have my
              neighbor help me with the jack stands. But if my memory serves me the
              three(3) wires were black, white and green. I spliced the NTK(or if you get
              it from their other division it’s calked NGK) into the OEN wiring harness
              the same way I did when I replaced the original Bosch sensor about 15 years
              ago with the Bosch sensor that is used in the Ford Mustang. This is the
              replacement sensor that cross reference s to the Bosch number. . I always
              had good results from the Ford sensor. It’s the one that everyone talked
              about using to replace the expensive OEM Bosch. All wires are soldered, no
              crimps. I determined the heater wasn’t working because after several
              minutes of the engine running the sensor never fluctuated, it kept a
              reading of around .5 volts. If I drive the car and get the sensor hot it
              works just fine. The problem is that no matter what I do there is NO
              voltage coming from the two wires that go to the heater from the wiring
              harness . I’ll get under it this weekend and verify everything. Thanks
              again Art.







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                O2 sensor heater control system 200 1989

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                posted by  Art Benstein on  Thu Feb 20 08:12 CST 2020
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                Take as much time as you need. Chances are I'm not going anywhere, and neither is the Brickboard anytime soon. If your sensor is switching after a good hearty drive, then I believe you've identified the problem, and its fix is going to be somewhere in that splicing if you've proved fuse 4 is indeed intact and making good contact in the fuse panel.
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                Art Benstein near Baltimore

                What engineers say and what they mean by it:
                Engineering says: "We predict..."
                Engineers meant: We hope to God!







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