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posted by r2grom on Wed Feb 12 11:57 CST 2020
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Morning,
I'm having trouble finding the correct front turn signal and parking light bulbs for my 1982 GLT. The bulbs that are in it now are not correct. I think that the sockets have been altered.
What configuration of socket and bulb were original to the turn signals and parking lights.

Thanks

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posted by r2grom on Fri Feb 14 18:14 CST 2020
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Now that I have the lights sort of figured out. The bulb sockets will all have to be changed. Can anyone lead me through the procedure to remove the corner parking light/signal housings ??

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John I,

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posted by bulletproof on Sat Feb 15 10:57 CST 2020
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First of all, the fixtures and lenses should be made by Cibié. These will have three screws through the front and the manufacturer's name is visible in a couple of places. Earlier cars have lenses by Hella and there are only two screws. I don't think Canadian market cars had different fixtures than US market cars so I'm thinking you have the later Cibié fixtures.

I have a set of these and the sockets are integral to the housing. Only the contact, insulator and wiring are removable.

When you say, "They all have the offset pins," is that based on just looking at the bulb? If so I think all you need to do is get the bulbs I mentioned.

What bulbs did you remove?

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posted by r2grom on Sun Feb 16 12:54 CST 2020
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Morning Bulletproof,
I have no problems with the lens at all, it's the socket's. Volvo in there infinite wisdom designed an odd ball socket for this year 244. The socket
has a single base contact but the side bayonet mounts are offset. One side higher than the other. I have been unable to find the proper bulb that has this configuration. The bulbs that are in it now are double base contacts. These are the only bulbs with the proper bayonet mount's.

I would like to remove the whole housing and install a socket
that works properly with the proper bulbs.

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posted by bulletproof on Mon Feb 17 06:09 CST 2020
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No doubt you have been reading the exchange between Art and myself.

I most recently stated that you need the 1073 or 1156 and the 67 bulb. That is not correct if your car has clear front lenses.

What do you have? Clear or amber?

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posted by r2grom on Mon Feb 17 12:32 CST 2020
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Morning Bulletproof,
The lens is clear except for a small orange section on the lower side.
The bulbs are both orange.

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posted by Art Benstein on Mon Feb 17 12:41 CST 2020
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I did a couple of quick image searches on the net: "1980 Volvo" and "1981 Volvo"

There are exceptions, but the preponderance of '80 cars show the amber lenses, and the '81's with clear. I think the switcharoo happened the same year the dash and interior got remodeled - 1981.
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Engineering says: "The design will be finalized in the next reporting period"
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posted by bulletproof on Sun Feb 16 14:11 CST 2020
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Yes, I understand. I just wanted to make sure we were talking about the same thing since there are two distinct manufacturers. For all I know the Hella fixture does have a replaceable socket.

Back to the original subject. Volvo would not design a fixture with a socket such as you describe because no single contact bulb will have offset pins.

I'm sure if you try the 1073 or 1156 bulbs you will find that they work just fine.

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posted by Art Benstein on Sun Feb 16 17:44 CST 2020
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The Cibie lamp does indeed support two 1157A lamps with single socket contacts. The single contacts are offset, so they run only the correct half of the dual-filament bulbs (those with offset base locating pins). The upper socket lights the 5W filament and the lower socket lights the 21W filament.
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What engineers say and what they mean by it:
Engineering says: "Customer satisfaction is believed assured"
Engineers meant: We are so far behind schedule that the customer was happy to get anything at all.

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posted by bulletproof on Sun Feb 16 18:03 CST 2020
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I need a little more explanation, Art. I'm looking at the Cibié lamp from a '79 and the hot contact is not offset for either parking or turn signal. When did this change? I would wager '82 is the same. I know the '86 and up turn signals use an 1157 but that is definitely a different fixture and it had something to do with DLR's in certain markets, did it not?

Anyway, if what you are telling us is correct, and you usually are, the r2grom really doesn't have a problem.

I would add a pic of my parking/TS fixture but the BB will not allow me to upload it even though I am logged in. I got better service when I wasn't paying for it.

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posted by Art Benstein on Sun Feb 16 18:29 CST 2020
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Don, I'm sorry the BB isn't working to host your photos. I've always felt the requirement to relinquish rights was not worth the effort, and that was my original incentive for using my own hosting.

The offset is subtle. There are two places to put a rivet holding the lamp contact, and only one is used in either location, making the bulb replacement choice an easy one -- same bulb in both places, but different use selected by the contact installed.

I don't know what years had what. I think these pics are from a lamp removed from our 84 before sending it to Valhalla, but I could be mistaken. Also, I think the bulbs in it were the ones installed by Volvo at the factory! But my thoughts are only based on the appearance.

Edit: Checking owners manuals (79,83,84) the lamps referenced are the single contact 67 and 1073 bulbs, yet these Cibie housings are definitely not those that fit the 86-93 body. The owner's manuals have a lot of copy/paste errors over the years, so I'm not too surprised. Someone will know when the lamps changed from single filament to dual filament.

I just jumped in because I remembered there is an important distinction between "single contact" in the socket and "centered single contact" in a socket built for a single filament bulb. It wasn't coming through in the thread's text, so here are some photos.

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posted by bulletproof on Sun Feb 16 19:29 CST 2020
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Okay. So, the '84 had clear lenses hence the amber bulb. Should have thought about that. I owned an '84 at one time. But I believe the 1156 single contact can be had in amber. 1156A. Maybe they were not available in the early to mid 80's.

If r2grom's lenses are clear then they must be like the ones in your pic and he is okay to use the 1157A. If he has amber lenses then he needs the 1073 or 1156.

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posted by Art Benstein on Sun Feb 16 19:57 CST 2020
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I couldn't tell you if lens color is the difference between dual filament bulbs and the single purpose types. Pretty sure amber bulbs were available in both varieties back into the 60's. My '79 has the amber lenses, and most likely the 67 and 1073 clear bulbs behind them. I just can't say for sure when the lenses went clear. My guess is '81.

Does make sense the dual contact was introduced then, too. And I do remember some folks posting about converting the running lamp (upper portion) to DRLs by installing the second contact, but as far as I recall, this was not factory (unless perhaps in Canada) configuration.
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Engineering says: "Project slightly behind original schedule due to unforeseen difficulties"
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posted by r2grom on Mon Feb 17 11:47 CST 2020
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Thanks Art and Bulletproof for the help with the inner workings of the parking/ turn signal lamps. It's a bit of an oddball putting a double filament bulb into a socket that contains only one contact. learning something new every day.

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posted by Art Benstein on Mon Feb 17 12:51 CST 2020
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Yes, it is oddball, in my opinion. I've never seen this done anywhere else, but I'm not representing a lot of automotive experience.
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What engineers say and what they mean by it:
Engineering says: "A number of different approaches are being tried"
Engineers meant: We don't know where we're going, but we're moving.

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posted by bulletproof on Wed Feb 12 12:59 CST 2020
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For your year and model front turn signal and parking light bulbs should both have the Ba15s mount. The socket should have one contact at the bottom and ground through the base. The slots for the locator pins should be the same depth and are opposite one another.

The original spec for the parking light bulb is 67. This is the upper bulb and it is a single element 5 watt bulb.

The turn signal, lower, bulb was originally a 1073 which I think is still available. It is also single element but 21 watts and the globe is larger. The 1156 bulb is identical except it is a little higher wattage. It will work for this application. I'd use the original if you can find it.

In some later model year, I think 1986, the front turn signal bulb changed and the 1157A was used thereafter. It is a dual element bulb and the mount and contacts are different. One locator will be at a lesser depth than the other. Also it has an amber globe due to the clear front lens. This bulb will not work in the Ba15s mount.

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posted by r2grom on Wed Feb 12 13:40 CST 2020
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Thanks for the help,
I'm sure that someone in the past has changed the socket. They all have the offset pins and a single base at the bottom of the socket. I think I will have to try and locate the original sockets to move forward.

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