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240 no start 200 1988

I'm trying to resurrect a 1988 240 but can't get it started. I have good spark when cranking but am not getting fuel. I can jumper the system relay to start the fuel pump (grounding the wire from ECU pin 17). All the sensors check out using the guidance in the green book. For some reason the ECU is not grounding pin 17, allowing the fuel pump to start, nor powering up the injectors, etc. Any clues to what is going on appreciated.








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    240 no start 200 1988

    Hi,

    I assume you know these things because you are looking for voltage on the orange wire out on the AMM. Back probe the boot connection to double check.
    The fuel system relay turns it on and that circuit runs all around.
    This wire is turned on by a separate contact inside the relay.
    Just because it clicks doesn’t mean it’s working correctly.

    You do know about bypassing the relay system by jumping two fuses in the door fuse panel, don’t you?

    Cleanflametrap.com has all that information you need to trace things farther.

    Phil

    Ho ho, that was close Art! Just saw your post after mine popped on.








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      240 no start 200 1988

      Thanks for the updates. Yes I have battery voltage at the orange wire on the AMM, and the 20 ohms across the other terminals when measured from the ECC connector. The system relay has two relays inside - ne powers the AMM, the other goes to the fuel pump, idle valve, and injectors. It is the latter half that is not operating. I suspect the ECC is not getting a signal from the ignition controller, but am note sure why.








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        240 no start 200 1988

        so disconnect that cnncter on the AMM

        It should start and run in the limp-home-mode.

        Did I miss something?
        ps I did not read all the posts.








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          240 no start ? AMM 200 1988

          Check AMM function.








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            240 no start ? AMM 200 1988

            Thanks guys, but I found the problem. There is a gray wire that runs from the ignition module to the fuel injection ECC. Somehow that wire broke somewhere in the harness. I cut the wire a few inches from the connectors and ran a new wire & now it starts and runs fine.








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              240 no start ? AMM 200 1988

              Hi,

              Glad to hear you found out that one final little detail!

              From me: “The ECU maybe waiting for its signal but if you have power on the AMM orange wire the relay is closing. This is a confusing dilemma, in progress, due to all of us not knowing one particular detail, I’ll bet!”

              That was an easy bet on my part!

              Appears Art knew the WHAT wire and WHERE wire carries the signal to the ECU! I didn’t know that.
              Good going Art!

              Phil








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        240 no start 200 1988

        Hi,

        I’m not so familiar with the ECU terminals, but Art is.

        One contact set, in the relay, powers only the main fuel pump circuit of both pumps!
        The rest you mention is on the other contacts but you say you have power on them.
        This means the ECU needs to see a signal from the ICU out there under the hood.
        They can be terminal issues if some unplugs the ICU.
        Chrysler did a dumb thing using one time use pins.
        I have found a bad yellow wire on my 1986, by chance, long before I learned more!

        Because you have a spark that means the Hall effect sensor in the distributor is sending the signal to the ICU.
        The ECU maybe waiting for its signal but if you have power on the AMM orange wire the relay is closing. This is a confusing dilemma, in progress, due to all of us not knowing one particular detail, I’ll bet!
        Make sure you have cleaned all the fuses tips and holders in the hinge fuse panel!
        There are at least two fuses involved with starting, but we might be all past that!
        Check the terminals of socket on the relay. You can get voltages but there maybe a current or amperage transfer problem.

        Listen to hear IF the pump has been running AFTER you stop cranking! That proves the other side of the relay is working as well and the pump. Listen quickly, as it’s short to run long.
        The 1988 was the last year of the ICU out there under the hood.
        Later cars turned over to the CPS and EKZ or EZK system and its ECU runs the fuel pump for a second before cranking over.

        Tell us the last three digits of ECU number and label color to see if it’s one that gets prone to start issues. I always want to blame it last but they are aging.
        Others may know, if it does or does not.

        Phil








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          240 no start 200 1988

          "This means the ECU needs to see a signal from the ICU out there under the hood."

          Yes, if the ECU isn't opening the injectors or operating the fuel pump part of the relay, that signal from the ICU could be missing even though you see spark at the plugs. There's a two-pin connector with gray and orange wires under the intake manifold where the ignition wiring harness meets the fuel wiring harness. The gray wire in it is the RPM signal the ECU needs on pin 1. The ECU in the '88 model is known to be very reliable, or at least it was.
          --
          Art Benstein near Baltimore

          "He drank like a man who wanted to get this life over with." -Mitch Albom








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    240 no start 200 1988

    Check the orange wire on the AMM to see that it is getting power when the key is on.


    --
    Art Benstein near Baltimore

    "Sometimes I think the greatest talent of all is perseverance. But only sometimes." -Mitch Albom







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