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Can't Turn Off the Heat 900


'92 940 turbo wagon. Recently overhauled the cooling system. New water pump, radiator, t-stat, hoses. Replaced the heater control valve first. Everything is connected correctly. The heat won't shut off. The control valve is working properly, lever in correct position so vacuum is not the issue. The entire A/C system has been removed including condenser. The heat continues even with one of the heater core hoses manually clamped off. Blower motor is new and not contributing to the problem.

If the car is started and allowed to get up to full temp w/o moving it blows at ambient temp. Drive it and the heat increases incrementally until full temp.

The turbo creates enough heat to make the passenger side firewall pretty warm. Could this heat move by conduction into the heater core? Since this problem existed prior to the above maintenance and was the reason for changing the heater valve that seems implausible.

This is no big deal in the winter but in the warmer months it makes the car almost undriveable.

Theories?








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    Could the heat be coming from the defroster? Like many cars, if vacuum to the controls fails, the default is hot air to the defroster.

    This happened to our '90 744TI








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      Can't Turn Off the Heat 900

      Interesting thought, however if the heater hoses are pinched off, what is the source of heat to the defroster??

      This is a very strange phenomenon based on the observations given! Probably worthwhile for passport2 to repeat the experiment. ;)








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        I drove the car yesterday and it blew ambient temp air from the vents. Could be Spook is correct and this heater core door is working intermittently on my car? If the door is in the correct position does it shunt outside air around the heater core? Both of the heater core hoses were very warm even with the control valve lever in the down (off) position.








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          It really strikes me that you've got a heater control valve that isn't able to close all the way. I can't at all see why flaps in the air distribution box are involved to the extent you indicate. When the valve is shut, coolant should completely stop flowing through the heater core and vented air should quickly return to near-ambient conditions no matter which flaps are open or shut. The amount of residual heat that can backflow by convection into the heater core should be minimal.

          First off, are you sure you installed the valve in the correct flow direction? There is an arrow on the body, it should point toward the heater core. Although it shouldn't make a huge difference, the pressure under flow in the wrong direction may be opening the valve plate a little and letting hot coolant trickle by. There could also be foreign matter that got flushed forward and stuck in the valve. When closed and the heater core allowed to cool a bit, both the inlet and outlet nipple areas should be noticeably less hot than before. I would definitely consider removing the heater control valve for closer inspection and verification of operation and closure. Pinch off the hoses to minimize fluid loss. To avoid damage, pinch over an area wrapped in a rag -mind you if a hose does split then that's probably a good thing as you just prevented accidental failure down the road.

          On additional thoughts, make sure you're getting a proper vacuum seal at the heater control valve vacuum nipple and the vacuum tubing isn't damaged. Check the rubber connector sleeve to see if it has a tiny split anywhere along its length. Check the exposed length of the vacuuum tubing to make sure it isn't damaged, like being allowed to ride on the block or touch a hot manifold -use some old heater hose or spiral wire wrap as a protective shield if needed. Plastic standoff clips are used to keep the valve steady and the coolant hoses away from the block, each other and the dipsticks -these standoffs often break, you can use multiple black (UV proof) nylon zip ties to fashion your own standoff, although they may get brittle and break after a few years.

          Most importantly, most of the newer design heater valves (including Volvo OEM) have a vacuum nipple with a smaller O.D.and are set at a steep downward angle compared to the original. There is a small rubber adapter elbow available as both a Volvo and aftermarket part. If you use it, it's often way too loose a fit. I simply reuse the old rubber connector sleeve by pulling it off and turning it around (best to seal it with RTV or something similar so it doesn't slip off as long as you absolutely don't get any inside the vacuum tube or nipple). The bend at the bottom will now be quite sharp, so to avoid kinking the vacuum tubing I slip over a short length of small O.D. vinyl tubing.

          BTW, with a turbo, if the interior firewall is unusually warm at the passenger footwell then make sure the aluminum heat shield behind the exhaust manifold area on the firewall is in place and there is a suitable air gap behind most of it. I've seen engines where the heat shield has been torn off for whatever reason. Non-turbos do not have this shield.
          --
          Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now








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    You mention a key observation: the heat continues with one of the heater hoses pinched off.

    That should eliminate any heat from the coolant getting to the heater core.

    Is there any possibility you have any fissionable nuclear material in the heater core? :)

    Cheers.








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    Hi,

    Like Spook had mentioned it could be failed servo motor. Dismantle the above knee cover on driver's side. The servo motor is a square black box screwed onto the side of HVAC unit connected to a green electrical plug (IIRC) at its bottom. The bar is on top of the motor. You could disconnect the bar and cable-tie it away from heater position.

    Amarin.








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    Dear passport2,

    Hope you're well. Sign the confession and they'll turn-off the heat!

    More seriously, the problem likely is a failed servo-motor (Volvo Part #3522797). This part is "no longer available" from a Volvo dealer, but might be had from a salvage yard. It was used in 940s, 960s and S/V90s.

    When heat is demanded, it moves a "door" in the air-handling system, so allowing air to flow around the heater core and thence to the vents. When heat is not called for, the door is "closed", so air does not flow around the heater core and thence to the vents. In your case, the door likely is in the "open" position, so there's a constant flow of hot air.

    I've never had to change this servo-motor, so do not know what's involved.

    Another possibility is that the heater selector switch in the center console has failed. This part seems pretty robust. Absent a working air-conditioning system, it isn't possible to see if the selector switch will cause chilled air to flow into the passenger cabin.

    Hope this helps.

    Yours faithfully,

    Spook








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      Most likely there is a vacuum leak so that the hotwater in the coolant line.it doesnt matterif a door was open if the hot coolant is shut off.







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