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760 turbo wagon transmission noise 700

Hello I need some help.
My 1990 Turbo wagon 211,000 miles makes a momentary grind noise when shifted from Park to 1st and also when shifted from Park to Reverse, and when shifted from 1st to Reverse? Does not make noise when shifted from Park to Drive? The trans fluid level (hot) is to top-mark on dipstick and seems in good shape - no burnt smell, no dark color.
I was following Owner's Manual procedure to check Transmission Fluid level of "shifting thru the gears then checking dipstick".
Any ideas of how to continue testing for problem diagnosis?
Thank you everyone in advance,
jimdnc9








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    760 turbo wagon transmission noise - check your mounts 700

    Take a good look at your engine and transmission mounts - something may be moving and causing the noise when the torque of putting your car in gear moves the transmission/engine because the mounts are weak or damaged. Check the clearance between the tranny and the crossmember.

    Your turbo engine is tougher on the mounts than a NA engine.

    Your engine mounts are probably liquid filled and may have leaked out.

    We had a '90 744 TI that was a hoot to drive - with old snow tires I could almost drift all the way around a 1/4 mile oval rotary!








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      760 turbo wagon transmission noise - check your mounts 700

      Thanks James_a_sousa,

      I will have to find a lift to raise the car up to get under it.

      Any movement of the mounts should be measurable or perhaps visible.

      I agree the torque of forward to reverse can sure impact the mounts.

      I will also closely feel for any signs of drive train movement during next road test.

      The car is a hoot to drive, the turbo makes lots of get up & go!

      Thank you for your interest in my problem.

      Jimdnc9








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        760 turbo wagon transmission noise - check your mounts 700 1990

        Inspect exhaust heat shield on the header pipe and further rearwards.

        We do not know the condition of the turbo and exhaust securing hardware, yet occasionally the hardware that secures the header pipe to the exhaust manifold can loosen. Though that sound may be a scrape and if looser may be a slight clang.

        You can use a spray bottle with a stream or atomized spray and wet exhaust unions with a mix of dish detergent (don't use Dawn, use lemon Ajax or Joy of cheapo) on cold exhaust and spray before and as someone else starts the engine and let idle. Bubbles suggest exhaust leak.

        There is a bracket assembly. The top half of the assembly secures to the car right side passenger bell housing bolts. Between that bracket and a securing point on the header pipe is an L-shaped bracket or maybe a flex union to join the two to support the header pipe.

        This single union is well neglected by RWD Volvo owners in the overhead cam redblock engine in RWD era from 240 onward. Neglecting this union can cause exhaust union and gasket failure high up including the exhaust manifold to cylinder head gaskets. You replace the studs using Volvo hardware and gaskets. Volvo issued a technical service bulletin on the exhaust studs for all four cylinder overhead redblock.

        You will also want to inspect all exhaust support to verify the exhaust is secured and supported properly.

        While under there, inspect the drive shaft center support bracket, bushing, and such.

        +++++1 on the motor mounts (get OEM or performance like Kaplhenke and Yoshifab) and transmission mount.

        The engine, as you accelerate, rotates. The engine pulls up on the smaller mount on the intake manifold side while pushing down on the exhaust side.

        At 211k miles, your 1990 Volvo 740 Turbo will require a through inspection and wear item replacement. Suspension bushings, and such. What color is the brake fluid? Black? Flush the brake fluid using a Motive or like power pressure bleeder. Black brake fluid always leads to seized brake calipers and other brake system internal parts failure and corrosion that contact old brake fluid. Use DOT 4 and flush around every two years or so.

        Your best resource for Volvo 700-900 series information is in the FAQ link here:

        https://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/


        Questions?

        Hope that helps.

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    760 turbo wagon transmission noise 700

    You don't mention any problems with the quality of the shifting, but I'll ask anyway; Any hesitation in those shifts into and out of Park/Neutral/1st? How about any loss of drive?

    If you've read through the FAQ you'll have seen that the AW trans has a good reputation as long as there's oil in it. I don't see any mention of grinding noise, only the noise of the internal pump sucking air due to a clogged filter.

    If the trans is otherwise performing well, I'd investigate possible sources of noise further down the driveline, perhaps a badly work U-joint.

    Best of luck,
    Will








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      760 turbo wagon transmission noise 700

      Thanks for your thoughts Rehsper.

      To answer your questions:

      It seems to drive fine on the road. The parked shifting is when the noise is most noticeable. When the car is still.

      I know the "clunk" a bad U-joint makes - most noticeable when going from forward to reverse. I do not hear or feel that kind of noise.

      I had a old 55 Chevy Travelall decades ago and I remember the 3 sp. manual tranny made a grinding noise due to what turned out to be a worn synchro.

      I do not think the AW71 tranny has synchros in them?

      You bring up a good point for me to road test - if the sound occurs when driving up a steep hill it will shift from Drive to 1st. I will listen carefully for the grinding noise and its duration. Thanks for this thought!!

      Regards, Jimdnc9








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        760 turbo wagon transmission noise 700

        With the noisy gear engagement, I too was thinking synchros if it was a manual. Don’t think automatics have synchros though. If they do, they probably go by another name.

        I like the mounts suggestion and also the idea of driving it under different loads. When doing that try to pinpoint the exact location of the noise. Perhaps it isn’t the tranny at all?

        A really bad clutch plate will smell and eventually prevent engagement. Bad bearings will make noise all the time.
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    760 turbo wagon transmission noise 700

    Pull the transmission pan and replace the screen. New pan gasket. I upgraded to Mobile 1 synthetic. Really works great in these older cars. $100 more or less for the Mobile one. I use the transmission cooler line to circulate all the fluid from the torque converter into a bucket while filling the Mobile 1 into the transmission. Give a complete flush this way.








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      760 turbo wagon transmission noise 700

      Well if you don't want to buy new transmission fluid, drain the pan in something clean just get a new pan gasket and clean of replace the screen. Its the sound they make when the pump is starving for fluid. It will start banging.








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        760 turbo wagon transmission noise 700

        swami ji
        Very interesting that the sound could be a starved fluid pump inside tranny!
        I thought it was more of a grinding moise - like syncros not meshing - but the noise from a starved pump is also possible...At idle the pump would vulnerable to gunk starvation.

        Having the car up on lift for tranny service will also give me access to look at engine & tranny mounts...

        Thank you again for your kind response.

        jimdnc9








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      760 turbo wagon transmission noise 700

      Thank you Swami Ji,

      I hope to get to the bottom of the grinding noise - clearly metallic - before investing time & cash in this tranny.

      Hopefully someone can comment on the issue with some knowledge of the internals. Maybe a solenoid is acting up and causing low pressure and a clashing of metal parts? In which case new syn. fluid lubricity could get it working again!
      Or maybe this sound is what worn out friction plates sound like when dying. In which case maybe a replacement tranny is my next move?

      Thank you for your interest in my problem!

      Regards,

      Jimdnc9







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