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Temp reads high after tcb bypass 200

I flushed the coolant, replaced radiator hoses and thermostat (though it's a Murray brand w/o the bleeder pin thing), I also put on the jumper wire between pins 1 & 3 where the temp compensator board was installed.

Once warmed up, within 7 to 10 min, the temp gauge is at 10:00, just below the red.

I'm assuming this is not normal correct?

Once I get the car back tonight I'll check the wire to temp sensor.

Is there a way to check the water pump?

The upper radiator hose gets very hot, lower hose hot at pump and eventually gets warm at radiator.

I believe it's getting flow through radiator so am wondering about the pump.

Thanks for your insights.

Mike








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    "Once I get the car back tonight I'll check the wire to temp sensor."

    The wire to the temp sensor is the one thing you don't need to check.

    I'd start by putting the correct tstat in.

    None of mine run "just below the red" which is about 9:30.

    Notes on the Temp Faker - Or That Temp Comp Board

    --
    Art Benstein near Baltimore

    Dear Walter,

    I hope you can help me here. The other day, I set off for work leaving my husband in the house watching the TV as usual. I hadn't driven more than a mile down the road when the engine conked out and the car shuddered to a halt. I walked back home to get my husband's help. When I got home I couldn't believe my eyes. He was in our bedroom with the neighbor girl.

    I am 32, my husband is 34, and the neighbor girl is 22. We have been married for ten years. When I confronted him, he broke down and admitted that they had been having an affair for the past six months. I told him to stop or I would leave him. He was let go from his job six months ago and he says he has been feeling increasingly depressed and worthless. I love him very much, but ever since I gave him the ultimatum he has become increasingly distant. He won't go to counseling and I'm afraid I can't get through to him anymore. Can you please help?

    Sincerely,
    Sheila

    Dear Sheila:

    A car stalling after being driven a short distance can be caused by a variety of faults with the engine. Start by checking that there is no debris in the fuel line. If it is clear, check the vacuum pipes and hoses on the intake manifold and also check all grounding wires. If none of these approaches solves the problem, it could be that the fuel pump itself is faulty, causing low delivery pressure to the carburetor float chamber. I hope this helps.

    Walter








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      Thank you Art,

      I got on the IPD website yesterday after reading your post. The new thermostat will be coming tonight.

      I'll report back on the results.

      Thanks

      Mike








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        Make sure the bleeder valve is in the top most position of the thermostat housing or it won't work as intended.








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          Hi there,

          I feel gabby tonight or as far as one can talk to an imaginary crowd goes?
          I’ll expand Mr. Carver statement some.

          As intended means, that air is lighter than water.
          When heated it will rise to the highest point in the system.
          As this is happening the unwanted air passes through that “jiggle” valve port hole but it’s not quite the highest point yet.
          As these do not really “seal” off anything, but only trickle what ever can get through. Its hard to say it’s a valve but a variable port hole.
          For Water and Air, but when there is more air than water it get shaken more.
          Air goes first because it’s thinner in density. I think I said that already? *(:-) duh!

          The air then flows on top the water. It rises more over to the top of the radiator and out to a hose that goes over to a expansion tank/recovery container.
          Here it’s at the highest point and will vent out the bottle top! That is, upon it lifting internally, at a relatively low positive pressure, as the water expands.
          Important to note that, This is not a steam system, but a hydronic system.

          You will notice that the hose over to the expansion tank is very small. That is why you see no clamps!
          It’s a physics or physical matter. Take your pick.
          A very high pressure can be placed through a smaller line and it will not rupture as easily as a large line would. Same goes for hydraulic systems.
          The rubber hose doesn’t blow off because it does not get expanded from the lack of force.
          It comes down to the amount of square inches of any applied pressure that can be put “onto a surface” in order to stress it!
          A high amount of flow in not a consideration here., so, you should get the point.

          I will say I “stole” that “loose” term “jiggle” from what it’s called on top of the home style pressure cookers!
          For those who have not seen one of those, it’s a weight over a vent hole in the top of the cooker pot that bobs or bounces around or jiggles. The weight adjustment sets the pressure.
          It “rattles” and vents steam and a few people, that fail to listen or stay with them, get to clean a room!
          In our cars, it does not rattle but I’ll give it the “jiggle” side of things for it! (:-)

          A cars thermostat is just as simply made but actually a more precise device in its manufacturing.
          It contains a vessel that holds an expanding material called a resin or wax. This material pushes a cylinder piston like end out against a spring. The spring is thusly calibrated or adjusted into the range desired.

          In other truly “steam” systems that need only the condensate to be returned it’s the opposite principle.
          It is done by what is called bucket trap. A simple rudimentary device but very effective.
          In those, it’s actually an upside down weighted bucket inside a larger container. It rises only when enough steam vapor gets under it.
          It sits in some of the liquid condensate inside the surrounding container. The bucket opens a seat valve to let cooler condensate water seep past. Much like a float bowl of carburetors but again opposite because it’s going to a lower pressure area.
          Its a totally gravity operated device allowing only water to pass. It keeps drier steam up above it.
          Like a large cooking kettle or in a steaming cabinet.
          Here, the incoming “chemically” treated steam, heats a separate boiler of regular potable water to make another clean steam vapor.
          This regulated steam pressure in turn goes around the food inside the cabinet and drains out to the atmosphere or catch basin.

          Oh well, that’s my comparison lecture for the night!
          Hope it kept you fellows entertained, it did me!

          Phil








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            Thanks Phil

            Very thorough explanation.

            Jiggle valve is a good description.

            Got the new thermostat installed last night. Temp reads at about 9:30 closer to 10 on the gauge. Lower than before and appears to be stable. Still a little high for my comfort but I can live in it. I suffered a water pump loss in son's V70 on a cross country road trip some years ago so am a little gunshy. That was a self-inflicted wound I won't forget...

            Now on to some nit items, like finding the correct fuse door cover. the one installed from PO is correct color but about 2" short. Wonder if from a different model like 740 or something else - weird.

            Thanks Art, Phil & Carver

            Mike








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              Hi,

              That reading seems correct to me.
              I get those with a 92 degree centigrade range made in brass and copper by the Wahler brand.
              I want to get as close to 200 degrees as possible.
              Otherwise, the next step down is Seven degrees shorter!
              The fuel management system can run the car just a tad richer, as if it’s still slightly cold, for proper combustion.
              You will never see a CEL in the differences but a MPG number might show it.
              I believe Borg Warner bought Wahler out a few years ago. I heard about this and I stocked up with the tried and true!

              I like “similar” materials working together under heat!
              Brass and copper has work longer for radiators even though there is a weight penalty. About seven pounds, if I remember correctly?
              Aluminum is lighter and faster to conduct heat away but PLASTICS helped solve, to a point, the expansion of heat growth between core and tank.
              It’s a lot cheaper than a pressed out aluminum tank too.
              Some of Aluminum’s grades can get stressed more than others during deep draws of manufacturing.

              Making the radiator completely one piece out of plastic is not possible with production injection molds.
              3D metal Additive print manufacturing is still in its “infancy” structurally! Throw in the dynamics of the heating involved, forget a final product soon .... IMHO!
              The thermostats are pretty well proven with time and true results. That is, until the bean $$$$ counters start walking around. I’m watching the Borg Warner’s corps!

              I don’t know what brands IPD offers. The last three thermostats I purchased, all at one time, for my cars, I got from FPC.
              The other major brand car parts stores still have to get educated on how not to be a little cheaper with inferior brands, just because there are some higher profit margins in it for themselves.
              The crossover references are tainted with corporate greed. Imagine that!
              They push lower temperature stats, since they fit into the higher quantity buying lots used among other cars.
              The slit “o” ring seems, to me, to be a bit unusual in our year cars back then. It’s been flat paper gaskets in domestic vehicles.
              I’m not up on the newest car techniques! Some have used or use “Squirt” a gasket!

              I have always bought used cars every time so I have had bad luck with Calorics showing up in them. They have let me down by sticking open and one staying shut.
              Luckily my wife was paying attention to the cluster, that day and at that moment as she got only a mile from the house. She immediately pulled over and shut it down! The exhaust manifold had a faint glow as soon as I lifted the hood.
              Nothing else happened so I drove it back with my eyes pinned on the gauges. Apparently it sprung open, only late!

              If you got a Wahler stat you might have noticed that they put the date of manufacture stamped right into the frame.
              This got me sold on them to see 16 years of service. But like you, I got the boots to shaken when thinking about the gasket went that long too! That 1978 2.0 L red block has shocked me so much, in many ways! Probably nearly to 375K as the odometer has stopped twice.

              The gauge Never varied to be above the top on a “N” upon start ups. It would only drop a little bit to strike horizontal after that. Just a very tiny bit of overshoot, I call it!

              That was always normal, until the TCB garbage, made in theory to fake out the brainless, that don’t know more than how to turn the key!
              It shows that you shouldn’t confuse some people with facts!
              Maybe that explains some of what’s going on with the new cars and that thing with GM of dangle keys in the switch issue!

              If the fuse cover is two inches short it must not clip into the bottom.
              The twist button is the only thing holding it in place and the sides are guiding it for it to not to slip sideways.
              On later model cars the fuses were moved in under the central console.
              It should be from a 240 but the one you have might be off a 140. It may have been shorter for the lack of even more accessories.

              The salvage yards might have one on a fresh arrival.
              The most, I see are just laying in the floor, under other tossed parts of an interior. I have ignored them for the most part.
              The decals inside change colors just to make them unique.
              I guess for the collectors and judges to have to worry about it more than I ever will.

              Phil








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                Thanks Phil

                I'm still looking for a replacement fuse cover. I saw several on Ebay that have a scale in the picture alongside the cover leading me to believe perhaps there were a couple of versions used on the 240. Mine is about 11 3/16", I need one about 12 1/2" to fit in properly (clip at top engaged & fastener lined up with the hole). For now electrical tape keeps it at the top.

                Thanks for all the good info on the thermostat & temps. Guess I'm just too used to the (Fake) temp reading provided by the compensator board. Anyway I'll still keep an eye on it. I'm tired of learning the hard way from my own mistakes so tend to over analyze and question when things look different...

                Thanks

                Mike








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          yep, roger that

          I would have put in a thermostat with that bleeder pin/valve, whatever it's called - however the local parts store only had them w/o...

          I was assuming it had some other mechanism to relieve pressure but I'm now thinking it doesn't.

          Will have the new one in later tonight.








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    Forgot to identify the car

    93' 244, auto trans, only 134k miles







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