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Alternator not charging with instrument cluster removed - '82 244 200 1982

I pulled the instrument cluster to get the odometer gear replaced. Will driving the car without instruments cause any issues? Not legal issues, only looking for mechanical/electrical issues. Of course I drove my 244 and of course it died after draining the battery. I thought maybe my alternator was a goner but it bench tested fine. Does the exciter wire need to be connected to the dash cluster for the charging system to function properly?








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Alternator not charging with instrument cluster removed - '82 244 200 1982

The instrument cluster is back in the car and everything is working correctly:) Alternator is charging, new speedo cable installed, and odometer gear replaced. Not sure how long it had 89k miles on it but that's what it said when I got it 10 years ago. Thanks to everyone for the electrical advice!








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Alternator not charging with instrument cluster removed - '82 244 200 1982

Hi,

Glad to hear back on your results!

Nothing like knowing more about the thing your in love with and getting a new charge over it, no matter how old she is!

I mean the car! (:-)

Phil








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Alternator not charging with instrument cluster removed - '82 244 200 1982

Hi,

I would like to say, yes, because the rotor needs only a “tickle” of current, to create a magnetic field. This will as it “turns,” it will then self-feed itself.
I have a hesitation in this answer being absolutely true though.
I suspect that after so much speed of the alternator turning it might do it on its own through a slight back-feed or leakage maybe from from the exciter diodes?
A voltmeter can verify if this happens, but if every time, is the bigger question!

The regulation part is controlled inside by the voltage regulator watching the whole system voltage in relation to ground.
A current draw, I.E. headlights, the voltage drops by only tenths of a volt and the internal regulator picks up on that!
It then, adds a bit more current, to the rotor through a set of carbon brushes as in the beginning from exciter circuit.
The increased magnetic field moves through the stator windings and out through diodes into the system including the battery.
It actually becomes a self running package or termed the total “Charging System!”

After that point the cluster circuit is more for indication purposes to only show you that absolutely nothing is coming out of the alternator. This is why they are termed an “idiot light” as it shows you nothing in between.

A dash mounted voltmeter is better because the needle or numbers will wiggle or vary from their normal running amounts ahead of time before it becomes a real problem.
It’s another way of knowing your cars blood pressure!
Like us, they are showing age and need monitoring! (:-). Really every car should have one.

I personally have not tried to run a car without an instrument cluster connected, so this explains that I’m at a loss, to give you a real good answer!
I suspect that a person could put a resistance between the B+ and the D+ as a current limiter and do the same thing but I do not know how much?

The resistance might or Maybe be a small light bulb, with pigtailed clips would work?
The light would be on all the time except when the car was running and having an output. Just like the idiot lights stops burning since it loses having a flow to ground through the regulator.
Adding a switch down there would eliminate a drain but would require using your Memory to turn it off over any long period of time.

Maybe the wizardry of Art Benstein can chime-in on this, as I bet he knows or has pictures!
I haven’t seen anything like that on his web site Cleanflametrap.com.
He is good at finding work-arounds!

Post back what you do!

Edit: Whoops I see he has already!
Good Morning Art!

Phil








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Alternator not charging with instrument cluster removed - '82 244 200 1982

I like how Dave got right to the point with a resounding "Yes". Art and Phil, thanks for the details. I will put the cluster back in and if all goes well, the alternator will charge and the miles will add up. I'll let you know how it turns out.








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Alternator not charging with instrument cluster removed - '82 244 200 1982

Yes, the exciter wire needs to be connected. At least initially.

Initially, meaning it is actually pre-excitation as defined in Bosch's literature, meaning you could get away with momentarily supplying 12V to the D+ terminal on the alternator after you start the car, and each time you start the car thereafter. Momentarily means just for a moment, as in using a small jumper wire between B+ and D+ (61) to flash the alternator into charging mode, then putting the wire in your glovebox until next time.

Careful driving without a cluster in place. Could get you in trouble with law enforcement.
--
Art Benstein near Baltimore

Police were called to a day care where a three-year-old was resisting a rest.








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Alternator not charging with instrument cluster removed - '82 244 200 1982

In a word -- yes. -- Dave







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