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940 runs fine when cold - 1 hr,then stalls out/no start when hot 900

Trying to help out a friend still driving his 940 sedan. Car is in regular
use, driving between Albany and NYC weekly.

On a trip to DC last Thursday, the car made it into the city, then stalled
as he parked it in a garage. Started when cool; took to a local shop that couldn't repeat the problem.

tried to drive back to NYC, got to baltimore, where the car stalled. then would run for about fifteen minutes before stalling out and needing to sit.

How many folks think this is radio supression relay? (FAQ suggested cause) Anything else?

Thanks for your help. The car recently had a coil installed, and a used crank sensor for a similar symptom of, except the car just wouldn't start.

It's been a while since I gave up my 945 Wagon, so just coming back for some
advice. The trick is proving the fix is made -- it seems not to want to stall 'til you've driven 1/2 hr and are in a really inconvenient place!








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940 runs fine when cold - 1 hr,then stalls out/no start when hot 900

Hi,

Just poking around, away from the 240's side of things of the board and spotted your post!
I don't own any 900's but the symptoms sound very familiar as both have the same drive train.

The good thing is that your car is doing something on a regular basis. From what you have said, it is having heat related shut downs.
In reading, I see that most of the other posters are picking on the coil or the sparking relay located behind the battery.
There is one fellow talking about a Hall effect sensor mounted inside a distributor that you DO NOT have! That item is on 1988 and sooner model of 240's. I'm pretty sure they all went away with the EZK ignition system on anything Volvo from 1989 up, ... At least for North America.

The behind the battery item mentioned is the middle guy between the ICU, that's under the glove box and the ignition coil itself.
The ICU tells the "power stage relay" to fire the coil by grounding the primary coil side to turn on and back off. This must happen to fire the secondary coil to light up the spark plugs that is attached on the far end of the coil system.
That component is mounted to an aluminum block as a heat sink to keep it cooler.
The special conduction paste goes between these two items and the whole affair is screwed to the fender.
Being that it's behind the battery, it gets over looked for maintenance. Add on the fact there is an electrical connector and a ground wire battery vapors might effect those if the rubber boot has cracked. Just removing and inspecting the connector pins can help renew the connection.
You would be wise to service the two connections and even redo the thin coating heat sink paste that in all likelihood has dried out or oxidize somewhat.
Don't forget the grounding wire out of the harness near there going to the fender.

In the interim, you can try and experiment, of placing a chilled wet rag over the component to see if it restarts sooner or takes longer to shut down before doing anything else.
You can do the same to the ignition coil, but only one of them at a time, to eliminate which one, over the other!

If neither of them work after cooled, then there is one Very Rare possibility and that is the ICU itself, going south.
I have only read about this once and our Friendly poster, Amarin of Malaysian stature, who possibly wrote that one of his friends placed a small computer fan over an ICU to find out it had a problem.
You have to remember that they live very close to the equator down for the love of heat and some humidity!
It's the only ICU failure I ever heard of!

Good luck with finding the issue.
Please post back as it helps all of us!

Phil








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940 runs fine when cold - 1 hr,then stalls out/no start when hot 900

Probably not relevant but my 240 had very similar issues about twenty years ago. Started when cold. Would not start when hot. Erratic. Mechanic replaced the entire distributor on one occasion it occurred within a block of the shop and it was determined that the coil within the distributor would make and break contact when the fine wires expanded or contracted in the heat or cold of the day. I am not talking about the ignition coil here. This is a separate small coil that took over from points and condenser distributors.








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940 runs fine when cold - 1 hr,then stalls out/no start when hot 900

You mentioned "The car recently had a coil installed"
--> Was this before or after the "no start when hot" issue?


Assuming this a 940 with Bosch ignition system, is the replacement coil has same specs as the old one?

The coil has to be "matched" with the ignition module (aka ignition amplifier aka ignition power stage). If left unmatched the ignition module may run hotter than usual leading to frequent engine shut-downs. The trouble may had been started with the heat paste of ignition module flaked off with age (plus vibrations) causing module overheating thus engine shut-down when hot. Made worse possibly using unmatched coil.

Renew the heat paste. Use only Bosch coil meant for 940.

Amarin.








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940 runs fine when cold - 1 hr,then stalls out/no start when hot 900

Dear lark4dr,

Hope you're well. I'd indict the ignition power stage (IPS). This unit - on non-turbo-equipped engines - is mounted on the inner fender wall, just behind the driver's-side headlight. The IPS is heat-sensitive, witnesseth a heat-conducting paste should be present between the unit and its aluminum heat-sink.

The factory-original units - made by Bosch - have a gray "cap" and bear Bosch #0 227 100 124 . The Bosch IPS is available from www.fcpeuro.com for about $30.

Hope this helps.

Yours faithfully,

Spook








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940 runs fine when cold - 1 hr,then stalls out/no start when hot 900

Wouldn’t a non-turbo 940 be sparked by a Regina system (combination coil/ power stage unit)?
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Dear Chris Mullet,

Hope you're well. Non-turbo 940s were equipped with Bosch ignition and fuel management or Rex-Regina ignition and fuel management.

Bosch-equipped cars have a cylindrical coil, mounted on the passenger-side strut tower brace. Rex-Regina cars have the square coil/ignition power stage mounted on the front face of the driver-side strut tower.

Hope this helps.

Yours faithfully,

Spook








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940 runs fine when cold - 1 hr,then stalls out/no start when hot 900

Got it. I just wanted to encourage a wider range of possibilities as it looked as though everyone was assuming it was a Bosch ignition. I dont think the OP really specified.
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940 runs fine when cold - 1 hr,then stalls out/no start when hot 900

Yes, I'd agree with you, think radio supression injection relay, crank position sensor and in addition the fuel pump relay (I've been nailed with that one) and less likely the distributor which more often acts up when cold. Those are always good for those kind of hot/cold different running/stalling symptoms. Ideal if you could swap in proven good units to notice a change, buy that's not always an option. Others may have further suggestions, but those have got to be in the top ten.

[Couldn't help but notice the car was that close to Baltimore, others can help you figure out why I picked up on that.]
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Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now







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