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My current daily driver a 1991, manual with 195k miles on the clock makes a large/loud sucking noise every time that open the gas cap to fill up. Is this normal, if not, what might be causing this to happen, and is it going to have any adverse effects on the car later on?
Thanks in advance,
matt
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1989 - 245, 1990 - 245, 1991 - 245, and 1993 - 245
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As I stated earlier today, I did test the gas cap with my mouth and it appears to work at the moment, but I'll keep an eye on it.
So I checked all the hoses to the canister and I was able to push air through all of them and get a response from my wife as to whether she heard air rushing or not and they are all clear.
I then put it all back together and I am getting a nice vacuum at the hose that goes back to the tank so I'm going to go with the fact that the valve in the canister at least works.
I'll continue to monitor this and see how it acts at the next fill up. If still the same I will swap out the gas cap and then go from there, hopefully I can report back by the end of the week that all is well in the world, so stay posted.
Matt
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1989 - 245, 1990 - 245, 1991 - 245, and 1993 - 245
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Hi,
What is considered normal is to have the gas to make no discernible noise or if you do hear anything it will be a slight pressure release sound.
The cap is meant to trap gas vapors in the tank and its evaporative emission control system. As mention the canister is up under the front bumper drivers side.
There is a check valve on the canister operated by manifold vacuum under certain manifold vacuum conditions. If that is working it should under most conditions keep the fuel tank very low on pressure.
During hot days or excessive agitation of the fuel (low on fuel) there can be times that the canister does not keep up with.
This is when you might hear a eek-sound to almost a chirp.
This is the gas cap leaking off down to a preset pressure.
The gas cap also lets air in so a vacuum is not created and this works both ways when changing altitudes, like traveling through a mountain range.
So, an occasional pressure release is very normal.
I think it maybe mentioned in the owners manual or has been stressed by Volvo service bulletins.
In fact, if it didn't do it occasionally, it might mean that the outer split rubber o ring or the caps check valve inside maybe leaking.
I suck and blow on the cap to make sure it holds but let air in!
I can't get it to pressurize high enough to to make it release. So, it must be a few psi or more.
The outer ring is a visual thing, looking, for cracks or listening for that pressure noise.
Phil
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Phil,
Thanks!
I'll see if I can get a look at the canister over the next couple of days.
I get a large release of pressure every time I open up to fill her up, so the evap canister is not drawing anything down, so that is concerning.
Matt
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Under pressure = nice bomb. Under vacuum = collapse the tank like crushing a tin can. Cap should let air in to displace the fuel pumped out. Tank should vent pressure through the evap canister into the intake manifold. Check both systems out...
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82 242-6.2L; '17 Mazda3; '16 Crosstrek
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ok, here's the latest.
Just checked the cap and it allows air in, but does not allow vapor out, so I now need to check why the evap canister is not pulling a vacuum.
I've checked the lines from the intake manifold down as far as I can and they appear to be intact, but I will have to wait till later this week when weather permits to get under the car and to see what is doing on with the canister.
fun times!
Matt
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Next time you take it for VEIP they'll put your cap on their tester, note that it fails, but maybe not say anything, because it doesn't keep you from passing the emissions overall.
"MVA VEIP - Gas Cap Leak Check. In addition to the emissions test all vehicles also receive an advisory gas cap leak test.
The cap is placed on a testing adapter and gently pressurized with air to ensure that it seals tightly. While the results of this part of the test currently will not cause your vehicle to fail the emissions test, a gas cap that fails should be replaced in order to reduce gasoline vapor loss. Gasoline vapor loss contributes to our current pollution problem, and can also decrease your fuel efficiency."
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
"You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a look that says, ''My God, you're right! I never would've thought of that!'" (Dave Barry)
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Filled up the car last night and there no longer are any sucking or hissing noised from my gas cap when I open it.
I guess there must have been something in the line from the tank to the canister.
Any who, all is well once again.
Thanks,
Matt
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1989 - 245, 1990 - 245, 1991 - 245, and 1993 - 245
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Art,
The car is registered Historic, so I do not have to take it to the VEIP station any longer.
Am I to assume that my gas cap may be to blame, or should I be looking at my charcoal canister up under the fender?
Thanks,
Matt
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What Michael said.
Of course, knowing you have multiple cars, the easy thing to do first is swap gas caps. Hits me hard to realize a '91 is an "antique." Best wishes Matt.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
"Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." (W. C. Fields)
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posted by
someone claiming to be CB
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Sun Mar 10 16:55 CST 2019 [ RELATED]
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why would you take a 28 yo Volvo to a MD VEIP for testing...So you could gloat at the Low emission read out... and listen to the UnImpressed Tech---who mouths the words --- good to go, see you in 2 years.
Check the hoses to the Charcoal Canister that sits (if it still is in a 91) below the battery in the engine compartment. That was the place where the Vapors from the gas tank went to be cleaned - like that filter on those TarryTown or whatever Cig that once put Ads on TV.
Check out the Hoses
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