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'72 1800 ES restoration questions 1800 1972

Greetings!

It has been quite a while since I posted on this site. Life and generally good running Volvos have kept me away. Now I am trying to get back to a project car I bought several years ago, and have not been able to do much with. It is a 1972 1800ES, with an early chassis number (#650 I think). Has the B20F engine that most likely has not run since the early to mid 90's, and the car was last registered in 1986. Yes, there is rust. Got the needed body parts for a body shop to do sheet metal and paint work (skills, patience, tools, facilities I do not have). I have the suspension assemblies in my basement where I have been media blasting the parts, got the front cross member reinforced, and hope to get all the parts powder coated this winter. Once the suspension assemblies are back under the car, and the car is on wheel again, I plan to strip the body down to just sheet metal and glass before turning it over to the body guy.

I have been resisting the urge to dig deep into the engine (the fun part of the job) until the body work is well under way. But, can't help to do some of the planning work. The engine has about 138,000 miles, and from my initial inspection it looks to be in reasonable shape. Still see honing marks on the cylinder walls from manufacturing. Will want to take it apart to do a more complete inspection, maybe have it dipped to remove all the old gunk and flaking paint. Depending upon budget, I may have some "enhancements" done while I am in there.

I live just and hour and a half from Syracuse, NY, and was thinking of talking with John Parker of VPD about having the work done. However, I recently stumbled upon numerous reports on multiple forums concerning his "reliability". (I am trying to be polite here.) Noting that most of the comments I found were from the late 2000's to mid 2010's, I was wondering if there have been any recent experiences to be reported. Maybe (I am being hopeful here) his situation has changed and service has improved. If this is not the case, then I am inclined to look elsewhere. Which leads to the question, are there other reputable shops that understand these old tractor engines, and know how to bring out the hidden potential in them? If so, who/where are they. Obviously, I would like someone in upstate New York or western Pennsylvania since that would make shipping of engine parts so much easier. But, if I have to create up the engine and stick it on a truck, well, I do have a wood shop....

The second question deals with the head/rod/main bolts. Since it is generally accepted these bolts are not to be reused, I have found only the head bolts are available form Volvo. ARP does not have a kit for this engine, but it looks like a head stud kit is available through VP Autoparts. I figure that when I pull the mains out, I may be able to find a comparable bolt from the ARP catalog for the mains. The rod bolts apparently have a non-standard head, and what ARP makes available through VP is a bit short. The recommendation is to mill the pockets of the con-rod and cap a few millimeters to get full thread engagement of the nuts. I personally do not like that idea. I have a couple ideas on how to get around this problem, but not sure how realistic they are. Was wondering what others have done to get around this problem.

That is enough for now. Thanks for reading through this long post and offering suggestions as I finally dig into this project.

Gary

'72 1800ES
'99 V70
'04 XC70 (261K)
'07 XC70
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Gary D





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    '72 1800 ES restoration questions 1800 1972

    Don T is not too far away in East Sandwich Ma. http://www.p1800.com/

    As you say, Mr Parker's reputation is less than stellar and maybe because of that, I haven't seen any recent reports on his service or lack of. Shall we just say "beware"?





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      '72 1800 ES restoration questions 1800 1972

      Made a visit to Don T back in 2017 when on the cape for a mix of vacation and business. Got a bunch of body parts from him. Was a big help. However, he is about 450 miles from me. A bit of a drive. Does not look like he is into building performance engines like John P. Guess my search for an alternative to John P. continues.
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        '72 1800 ES restoration questions 1800 1972

        You could try Phil Singher. He is on the opposite side of the continent from you so not so convenient. Seems to have a better reputation when it comes to delivering a finished product. Not inexpensive!

        http://www.vclassics.com/MPPE/





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      '72 1800 ES restoration questions 1800 1972

      Double beware.

      I contributed to the J. Parker benevolence fund. If you live close (closer than me) and can exert a physical presence rather than just an email presence, he may be less likely to stiff you on a deal.

      For those who order via the web and PayPal, his shtick seemed to be that the parts were expected in next week, or the week after that, or the week after that .... until the time had exceeded the limit on the PayPal dispute resolution mechanism. At that point he would cease to respond to emails about the status of the order. I think PayPal has extended the dispute time so that might not be working as well for him as it used to.

      If you do the Google search, or check the Turbobricks or Swedespeed forums, you can find enough customers who have had significant non-delivery issues with him. Use at your own risk!





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    '72 1800 ES restoration questions 1800 1972

    It won't hurt to replace/upgrade the items you mentioned and more.

    However, for a stock engine, its almost always unnecessary.

    I normally can reuse the head bolts, main cap bolts, rod bolts, crank pulley bolt, camshaft nut, and rocker shaft bolts.

    It's not uncommon to find a head bolt with pitting and deterioration of the shaft and sometimes you can easily see stretched threads, but I usually go to our collection of used head bolts and pick out a nice one. If close to half of the head bolts are bad, I will install new ones as they are still available from Volvo and I usually have full set of them in stock.

    I do use new rod nuts, camshaft thrust plate bolts, flywheel bolts, clutch bolts, motor mount bolts, water pump bolts and manifold studs with new nuts.

    That all being said, I can supply ARP hardware. I have head studs in stock as they are the most popular ARP item I sell. But I can supply ARP main cap studs, rod bolts with nuts, flywheel bolts and clutch bolts for the 6 bolt motors. Most if not all of the same ARP hardware is available for the 8 bolt motors too.
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    Eric
    Hi Performance Automotive Service (formerly OVO or Old Volvos Only)
    Torrance, CA 90502
    hiperformanceautoservice.com or oldvolvosonly.com





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      '72 1800 ES restoration questions 1800 1972

      Eric,

      Thanks for the info.

      I was planning on replacing the stuff you mentioned (engine mount bolts, water pump bolts, etc.) and then some. I am hoping to enhance the engine a bit, but not too insanely since I want it streetable. Probably can get away with stock parts, but am finding some of the bolts are not available from Volvo anymore. Just looking at options.

      Tried to look at your website, but it seems to be down. Get error messages.

      Gary
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        '72 1800 ES restoration questions 1800 1972

        Our website is still down.

        However, I'm still selling old Volvo parts and still repairing them.

        FYI, I also rebuild engines including ones sent to me by customers and in fact I am rebuilding a B20 for a 1970 1800E that is back east.

        It cost about $250.00 to ship the motor via truck and train across the country. The cost to crate the engine for shipping is not included in the $250.00.
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        Eric
        Hi Performance Automotive Service (formerly OVO or Old Volvos Only)
        Torrance, CA 90502





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