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Volvo 240 Wagon 200 1991

I am 15 years old and I purchased a 1991 Manual 240 Wagon last night, I would like to make my car a stance wagon, I have come to quick to learn that unless you want to spend $1,000 on coilovers, the best resort is to make them yourself, I would like to know everything on how i should build them and what I need to do and everything just about it, I think my budget for making them show be no more $600.








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    Volvo 240 Wagon 200 1991

    A 91 5-speed 245 is one of the best Volvos ever made. Nice choice!

    I suggest skipping the "stance" project and putting the money into a camshaft and Bilstein shocks/struts.

    Cutting the coils to make a "stance" will destroy the proper handling of the car and make it less fun to drive.

    Seriously, install IPD swaybars, GT strut braces, a strut tower brace and Bilstein Turbo shocks and you will completely transform how the car handles for the better. I know, I've done it. And by searching for used parts you can do it for $600-800. Maybe a "A" or "B" cam too.

    Go to Turbobricks.com and search for parts.

    Good luck. Have fun.








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      Volvo 240 Wagon 'stance' 200 1991

      Hi Mr. Nabisco!

      Will Bilstein (B6) HD dampers for the Volvo 240 fit the 1991 strut tubes?

      My experience is no without swapping to pre-1987 or 86(?) or so 240 front strut tubes. Bilstein (B6) HD (heavy duty), as I read, do best with full ride height and articulation, lest you use the Bilstein HD meant for lowered or Turbo 240 factory as iPd USA still sells, I guess.

      Also, even with well-sealed accordion-style boots protecting the strut cartridge piston, water will find a way inside the Bilstein HD, freeze, and a good pot hole strike can damage the valve body. The blue Bilstein HD boots are frail, so, the 240 Turbo boots and the hanging 'washer' is best.

      To OP diazkiefer320:

      How many miles?

      Avoid Made in Mexico Sachs or Boge, or Boge by Sachs, or Sachs by Boge as iPd USA calls them. Your budget is low, yet all Koni versions available for 240 will fit your 1991 strut tubes. Some are adjustable for compression and rebound front and rear dampers both. Yet that busts you budget, a single set of Konis.

      Bilstein (B4) Touring will also fit as drop-in in the 1991 strut tube and do well with lowered or reduced articulation suspension.

      However, a nearly 30-year old 240 may require extensive wear items replacement such as front suspension rear (large) control arm bushings (and maybe small front control arm bushes), the strut mounts (Volvo PN 1272455) no longer available of any useful quality from the stealership or aftermarket (some reports indicate Febi-Bilstein may be okay for a few years) or check in to the Kaplehenke site for their less expensive 240 camber plate strut mount.

      With solid rubber bushings, you apply final bushing securing torque with the full weight of the 240 on it's haunches on a level surface. Best on an alignment rack or a service trench at oil change stations.

      Correspondingly, check the ball joints. (Remove ball joint to control arm hardware or merely inspect the boot. With the ball joint disconnected, how does it feel when moved around?

      The power steering rack, inner (under the bellows) and outer tie rods. Does the geared rack slide smoothly through the left and right nylon bushing without play? Apply a quality NLGI 1 or 2 grease to the geared rack, enough to lube the rack yet not so much as to prevent air from moving between the left and right bellows as you steer.

      How is the brake fluid? Clear and clean or black? If dark brown to black, Motive or like pressure bleeder and flush in some fresh quality DOT-4.

      Motor and transmission mounts? Inspect and replace as necessary.

      Fluids including coolant.

      Rear suspension bushings. The torque rods bushes fail first and the rest of the rear suspension bushings follow. Check urethane bushing option and pack with a lot of synthetic silicon grease.

      As you are in FL-state, rust may not be an issue for you.

      Check OBD codes (Bentley manual or the FAQ [click FAQ, above]). While FL-state does not require emissions inspection, the tune and health and fuel economy of your 1991 240 depends on an air induction intake system that is leak free, all emissions controls (sensors and such) work.

      In the air filter box of your 1991 Volvo 240 is a thermostat controlled flap valve that failed to hot air all the time pulled by engine vacuum into the air filter box through the silver hose secured between the air filter box bottom and the exhaust manifold heat shroud. In FL-state, remove the flap valve assembly and the silver preheat hose (fan shroud gets in the way so you may need to remove the two top screws to get at it and unscrew the silver hose from the air filter box lower inlet. Air filter box becomes a cold-air intake with slightly better throttle response.

      You least expensive solution for treating 'stance' is to cut the factory springs evenly both side at the top. 1/2 to 2 turns, as I read, seems best. You will have to use spring compressors (some are better than others for 240, I dunno what brands). How much of a drop is something you should research and ask on here, the Turbobricks website in the proper forum, the 'Volvo 240 fan club' on facebook.

      A cheap stabilizer bar upgrade is the 23mm Turbo 240 factory front bar from the stock 19mm installed on your 1991 240. 19 mm front, 17mm rear factory. CHangeing the 'stance' also means changing the front to rear handling quality from slight understeer to oversteer (back end kicks out, what some like as they 'drift' or rally race so you learn to counter steer [turn into the skid]) on different surfaces. So, do your research.

      I guess that does it.

      Questions?

      courtesy,

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        Volvo 240 Wagon 'stance' 200 1991

        Kitty. the BillyHD struts did go into my 91 without issues. I have read this is impossible, but it happened. I ran 80k miles on them no problem.

        I would suggest Bilstein Turbos over the HDs. The HDs are super tight. Nice going fast on dirt roads, but the Turbos are a nicer ride.

        I cannot suggest strongly enough NOT cutting the springs and going for a "stance".

        There is a reason those springs are what they are. Cutting them changes their performance. The only "real" way to lower the car is to change the springs/shocks/struts/panhard rod. Proper performance mods cost money.

        Instead go the opposite direction... IPD Heavy duty rear springs and the bars/struts I suggested earlier. That mod really makes the car handle well.

        Kitty gives some great advice about getting your 30 year old car up to running condition.

        You have to have the car to "stage 0" before you can make any modifications, otherwise you are just throwing time/money away.








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          Volvo 240 Wagon 'stance' 200 1991

          Hi Mr. Nabisco!

          Happy Sundae!

          I see no Bilstein Turbo model for 1991 240:

          https://www.bilstein.com/us/en/product-search/?YearId=1749944722256346024&MakeId=9219800653983640984&ModelId=6318996863004742371&SubModelId=7772828447578431571


          There was Boge Turbo Gas until the late 1990s or so made by Boge in Germany. No more.

          iPd USA no longer offers the shorter Bilstein HD for Turbo 240. Is that what you mean, I guess? I dunno.

          https://www.ipdusa.com/prodtype.asp?CAT_ID=1093&numRecordPosition=0&categorycrumbs=987

          Though you have to choose the 200 series model family after the Shopping link.

          Rather not cut springs either. Yet that is the thing to do on the Volvo 240 fan club facebook page. And the facebook Turbobricks page with around 7k members.

          Yep, just leave as-is as is for the OP. No spring cutting or coil overs or any of that. Merely treat wear items or HD rear springs or just keep it on keepin' on.

          So many of them on them facebook page do a +T to a normally aspired 240 by adding the Turbo bits from 700 or 900, to do burnouts. They all want to do burnouts and some want to drift. How ridiculous.

          Hope that halps.
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            Volvo 240 Wagon 'stance' 200 1991

            https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo-suspension-strut-cartridge-front-242-244-245-262-264-265-240-touring

            https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo-shock-absorber-rear-164-242-244-245-262-264-265-240-touring

            All this is irrelevant, since the OP will never be back...








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              Volvo 240 Wagon 'stance' 200 1991

              As they always seem to. Shame. Oh well. We did our best, yes?

              Sorry for my tardy reply.

              Where is Uncle Old Duke?

              Hope all's aces!
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          Volvo 240 Wagon 'stance' 200 1991

          As noted: You have a very valuable edition of the 245 ---a 240Wagon with a 5Speed.

          Don't mess with it beyond the improvements recco'd by Mr Nabisco. "stancing" it ???? Forget about selling it later in your years for a profit(yes a profit) if you do that.








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            Volvo 240 Wagon 'stance' 200 1991

            Hi,

            I agree with you CB the only "stance" he is going to get out of that car, if he modifies the suspension, is the one "stance" he will have. This is standing beside the car with a thin wallet wishing it would sell later on. Wanting to get some of the money he threw away back then when it was worth more in today's dollars. At 15 years of age he has his first place to makes the worst investment in his life is any car unless it's a real hummer of a classic!

            There is nothing I see, made in this century, that going to make it unless it's a very low production number vehicle. Even then it has to stay in the garage to keep the value up or get stolen! Those exotic cars are worthless on a moving your belongings day!

            So many people, even older than him, have done this to a car.
            In so, the majority of future buyers don't like having to guess what has been done to a car to screw it up so badly.
            A car too "personalized" stays that way a lot of the time. Even rarities like "Big Daddy Roth" will a test to that, until he got famous to label his own work to his narrow following. In Magazines!

            Right off the get go it's a mixed bag of old car and questionable workmanship that changed the qualities of the car!

            Volvo designers and marketeers put this car on the road to do a job .... Sell!
            These cars have stood the test of time. Like a good book or movie they are a classic!
            No amount of redo' beats a classic and the desire for others to own one it's expected to be unmolested.
            If you look through the junkyards you find two types of cars! One that's worn out from the lack of maintenance or those that got modified from parts cars and then the modified one that doesn't resale!

            Yep, being 15 and still remembering your "soap box derby days" of riding really low is what made you think you were really going fast and cool!
            I don't think I ever got back a nickel on that old box car either! A Bad and slow return on the work investment ...cars!

            I give him credit for getting a wagon. I had a red wagon and hauled stuff for some pennies, (refunds on glass bottles) in my day!
            A good sturdy wagon or pickup and you will always have friends! Luckily, good looking ones!

            Phil








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              Volvo 240 Wagon 'stance' 200 1991

              here's the appeal and there are many more vids on stancing on YouTube

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATbdLuADq8

              I get it, dear 15yo, cause my dream at 16 was a BMW 2002 pre '1973 when they put on the square tail lights and the big bumpers---yeh I cud be your grandpa

              when I got one I kept it stock

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5jWUoBmEGs

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osjNGwcl7Ps

              but then most of them Rusted away... unless you live in Cali.








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            Volvo 240 Wagon 'stance' 200 1991

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKOVF1qwPzI

            https://vimeo.com/53367113







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