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Rattle noise, then no crank condition 240 1986 200

This morning, my 1986 240 started with no problem.

I drove thirty miles, and noticed a rattle sound from under the hood. I was unable to locate the source. It sounds louder than a loose exhaust bracket. Itdoes not sound like the groan of a power steering pump.

I shut down the car, for about thirty minutes.

Now...

Key in "I" position, only accessories on, both contact in fuel relay open.

Key in "II" position, alternator, oil, parking brake, brake failure, and light failure lights are lit. One contact in the fuel relay closes.

Key in "Start" III position, only oil and parking brake light on. Engine does not crank. Fuel relay still has only one contact closed .

Could the loud rattle, and the no crank condition be related?








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Rattle noise, then no crank condition 240 1986 200

Hi,

A no Crank situation, means to me, that the engine will not turn over by the starter. This is cranking.

A no start situation, means to me, that engine is turning over by the starter but you do not hear the engine firing one or more of its cylinders.

I find it interesting that you must have the cover off of the system relay in order to observe each half.
The halves being in the control of the injectors being able to fire! The other half turns on the fuel pumps.

If the engine spins, both contacts should be pulled in or made up to complete a circuit.
Around 1990 onwards the ECU temporarily fires on the fuel pumps to pre-pressurize the fuel rail for a second or so in the key position Two. It will not turn on the injectors or the pumps again until it sees a signal or the ignition switch is shut off to on again.
This system relay is a safety system used to shut down the fuel system when ever the ECU computer does not receive a pulse signal from the ICU.

The ICU, on all Volvos, has to receive a signal from either the hall sensor built into your 1986 distributor or the Crank Position Sensor (CPS) on 1989 and later 240 Volvos. If you lose that capability nothing happens as far as starting or running.

If the distributor is stopped turning then that means, nothing or nada as well! A thrown timing belt can be the number one cause for when a Volvo is found dead anyplace. Timing belts are so neglected for tension and get oil on them from an aged seal.

Cranking is a whole different story.
If you heard a noise maybe the starter took a hike! If its top bolt wasn’t tightened in place by Sven the Swede, it could have rattled loose in its hole!

That’s ok though, because if you ever owned an older Harley-Davidson, you could lose your Two Pound, Delco Car Horn or find it dangling by its wire after it hit you in the shin at a stop light.
The bracket holding them on was between the two cylinders and broke all the time. That is, until I made mine out of 1/8” Stainless steel.

Good luck

Phil








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Rattle noise, then no crank condition 240 1986 200

Hi Mr. Kocher,

A rattle and now no start?

Automatic transmission?

Fully charged battery? (Of course you do.)

How old is the timing belt? Though the t-belt snapping from age or oil soak or poor quality may not be heard. Lest the t-belt tension had not been reset, yet poor running and a skip. And now no start???

I dunno. Bumped for them mid-1980s 240 experts. Electrical or mechanical.

Crank the engine with oil fill cap off and the cam lobes turn?

The wire harness connector at the side of the distributor secure?

... I dunno. I don't want to write a novella and the LH-2.2 Jetronic and the Chrysler-MPG ignition are not my suit of strong. There exists an LH 2.2 fault chart algorithm-decision tree for fault diagnosis I cannot find right now. Actually, several exist, and I do not save them locally, like all them Volvo green factory 240 service manuals in PDF that was on the now no longer k-jet site.

Hope all's aces in StL. You're only cross-town from me here in arches city. I'd need a hands on round with my trusty yet not rusty multimeter if that would help. I'll guess the engine control wire harness was been replaced as 1986 has the rotting wire harness, though wire harness insulation rotting is usually quiet like termites in the frame house wood.

Also, you have the facespacebook group pages:

St. Louis Vintage and Rwd Volvo
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1420025614980046/

Gateway VCOA Chapter
https://www.facebook.com/gatewayvcoa/

Volvo 240 fan club
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Volvo240Club/
(Though I urge folks here to come to your brickboard.com repeatedly.)

Hope the stringed instruments are keeping tune! Er, you're tuning them. More rosin on them Irish fiddle bows!

Hope that halps you to get better qualified responses.

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