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Starter Solenoid Chatters No Start 93 Volvo 240

Starter Solenoid Chatters, No Start 93 Volvo 240. Seems like the solenoid is failing as we can get the engine running by striking the solenoid with a stick.

Car is several hundred miles from me so looking for any other ideas before I head off with a new starter. Battery is fine about 6 months old good voltage, alternator working.

Old starter was replaced 9 years ago so I guess thats all you can expect out of the permanent magnet starters.

Thanks
Dan








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    Starter Solenoid Chatters No Start 93 Volvo 240

    Quickest trouble free starter replacement ever! I was due that.

    Getting same volts at the starter as is on the battery so I think contacts are good and clean, if the problem continues I will look into Wires but no apparent corrosion. I do have a spare battery cable set on the shelf.

    Thanks for the replies, time will tell.
    Dan








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      Starter Solenoid Chatters No Start 93 Volvo 240 120-130 2014

      Yes, time will tell.

      Just a note for the future on "getting same volts."

      If you were measuring at any moment other than while the starter was actually cranking (or being requested to crank) the reading was a waste of effort. The reading is only meaningful with the circuit under load.

      The test is worthwhile, because a bit of oxidation, corrosion, or as N points out, damage under the insulation, can temporarily fix itself due to physical handling, such as poking with a broomstick, wiggling, or more to the point, changing the starter.
      --
      Art Benstein near Baltimore

      "Don't you know my name?" asked Tom swiftly.








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        Starter Solenoid Chatters No Start 93 Volvo 240 120-130 2014

        Art
        The engine has been starting fine but came home this weekend for a squealing center driveshaft bearing.

        We tested the voltage on the battery and at the starter while cranking. Using an elcheapo HF meter I got 10.3 at the starter and 10.8 at the battery. Does this seem OK?
        Thanks
        Dan








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          Starter Solenoid Chatters No Start 93 Volvo 240 120-130 2014

          Hi Dan,

          Those voltage readings are excellent. That's what they should be. The half-volt drop under load is acceptable.

          After the remark about needing extra hands I felt my previous post was sounding too much like criticism instead of help, so I began a long message about starter troubleshooting from my fresh experience that would bore the pants off us all. Then I decided the best approach would be a write-up on my web page, but that might take some time to actually happen.

          So, I know just how much fun it is to reach down past oily intake hoses, poking a probe at specific metal parts on the starter while trying to keep both the meter and the probe in focus and activating the starter solenoid at the same time. Easier when you can line up some tricks in your own driveway, than on a rescue call.

          The end game is to try to find where the voltage goes to zero in the circuit, while the trouble is active. Never an easy thing.
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          Art Benstein near Baltimore

          Theories need to be built on a foundation made of Observations, Hypotheses, Predictions, and Tested Hypotheses.








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            Starter Solenoid Chatters No Start 93 Volvo 240 120-130 2014

            Thanks Art I didn't take it that way. I was a little surprised how low the voltage got during start up, I never tested that.

            New issue,the non working A/C compressor is making bearing noise probably from bearings in the clutch do you have any suggestions on how to get some oil in there?

            Dan








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        Starter Solenoid Chatters No Start 93 Volvo 240 120-130 2014

        Thanks Art, I guess I will have to do that again when I have an extra set of hands!

        The new starter spins the engine over noticeably faster.
        Dan








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    Starter Solenoid Chatters No Start 93 Volvo 240 200 1993

    When a power switching relay "chatters" the reason is, in every case I've known, high resistance in the power source. What occurs is, once the load is connected by the relay contacts, the high resistance results in the voltage across the coil being reduced, so the relay drops out. Once it has dropped out, the load is no longer connected, so the voltage rises and the coil acts again, and the process repeats.

    In a small relay, it sounds like a buzzer. In the starter solenoid (partially a big relay) it sounds more like a toy machine gun.

    Anyhow, high resistance can be most anywhere, but the first places I would look are the battery terminal and battery cable. Second would be the terminal where the battery cable attaches to the starter solenoid.

    Check that battery cable. Depending on the tools you have in the field, a good tug, or wiggle might reveal the trouble. I wonder about the solenoid end of it since you had luck with the broomstick method.

    In your place, if I had to pack for a trip, I'd bring a spare set of battery cables, both plus and minus, along with that spare starter. Not sure what that's like on the late prod '93 with those fuses there.
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    Art Benstein near Baltimore

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      Starter Solenoid Chatters No Start 93 Volvo 240 200 1993

      Check and clean your battery connections on both end and started connections. Cable corrosion can happen inside the insulation on the battery cable.







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