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Need some advise - Eaton G80 Limited Slip Diff - 1040/4.10 is it worth it? 200

Sages,

For my project 91' car, currently a manual with an M47 transmissions and a 3.31 rear end, I'd like to eventually add an LSD to it for improved snow drive-ability, and if I get to it, speed.

I found a 92', 745 in the local PNP and pulled it from the car.

It is from an automatic w/ ABS. It is a 1041 rear end, (4.10) gear ratio with an Eaton G80 LSD in it. It is pictured below.

Is it worth it? If not, anyone else interested in it?

Thoughts?

Matt












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    Need some advise - Eaton G80 Limited Slip Diff - 1040/4.10 is it worth it? 200

    i have swapped the appropriate (abs or non abs) normal automatic 3.73 rear axle into an m47 car and its noticeably faster on the lower end without causing the rpm's to jump too high at highway speeds.








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    Need some advise - Eaton G80 Limited Slip Diff - 1040/4.10 is it worth it? 200

    The E80 isn't quite a normal LSD, it has some interesting centrifugal features which make it a bit more 'on-off'.

    First is that the clutch packs are set up very loose, so they do nothing at all under normal use, unlike the varying amount of pre-load in a normal LSD. It engages with a little spinning flyweight device when the left and right rotation varies by at least 100 RPM. Open diff, open diff, *clunk*, 'locked' diff.

    Secondly, there is a different centrifugal lockout mechanism on the housing that prevents the diff from engaging over a certain RPM (which is roughly 25 mph). It's intended just to be a 'get going from a stop' type of traction aid, once you're rolling along it will spin one tire like an open diff.

    I swapped one into my '93 wagon 5 years ago (+/-) and it does help with low speed traction. But it's still not a super stiff LSD, once engaged. It does transfer a modest amount of torque to both wheels, but it's not like both wheels will always reliably break traction together. It just makes it a bit more even if both wheels are on level clean pavement (vs. that passenger rear always spinning).

    It's possible that my clutch packs are worn, though. Once engaged, it's pretty much like a high-preload LSD, squeezing stacks of metal discs together. Once they get worn (more of a factor on how it was driven vs. how many miles it had) then it won't work as well when engaged.

    And some people trim off that 25 mph flyweight when installing it, so it will engage at any speed. This is primarily for higher HP applications where traction is an issue in 2nd and 3rd gears as well as 1st.
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    Need some advise - Eaton G80 Limited Slip Diff - 1040/4.10 is it worth it? 200

    Matt, It depends on your definition of "is it worth it?" If you mean--will the limited slip be worth the effort to accomplish your desire for better snow traction? -- the answer to that is -- yes it will accomplish the task--only you can answer the second part--is it worth the effort to YOU.
    The other part to the equation is -- which ratio to use. Going from the 3.31 to the 4.10 is a big step. Your car will definitely have a lot more zip in the lower gears -- with the cost of flexibility in traffic with the shorter speed range of each gear (approx. 25 percent difference in rpm/speed with my "off the top of my head" math) and the higher rpm at cruising speed. An advantage may be the simplified installation of the 4.10 guts into the 240 carrier.
    If you keep the 3.31 gears and add the limited slip to it you'll have the advantage of the LS but not gain any performance.
    Here's my more complicated suggestion (but may work better) -- find another rear--one from an auto (AW70/71) 240 (I believe the 4.10 must have come from a 16v car) that will have 3.73 gears - big enough difference to be easily felt without going to near drag racing 4.10. Add the LS to the 3.73 rear and bolt it into your 240. Now take your 3.31 and sell it to someone looking for maximum MPG -- or to someone building a V8 conversion.
    Whichever way you go--remember--the open diff and LS are bolted to the ring gear with LEFT HAND THREAD BOLTS (replace them with NEW -- available at any speed shop). -- Dave








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      Need some advise - Eaton G80 Limited Slip Diff - 1040/4.10 is it worth it? 200

      Dave,

      Ok, great response and a lot to think about.

      So, I have to ask, as I'm a little confused. Can I just add the LSD to my current 3.31 rear end, meaning I disassemble both rear ends and add the LSD to my gears?

      If this is true, then I'm in business, if not, then I'll keep looking.

      I'm in business as I like the fuel economy, but want to improve my traction in winter so I can drive the car more.

      In the future I'll consider a 3.73 rear end to add the zippy-ness in addition high end speed as I'm currently building up a turbo engine from a 940 that I plan to drop 16-valve DOC onto it.

      Let me know as I progress through this.

      Thanks,

      Matt








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        Need some advise - Eaton G80 Limited Slip Diff - 1040/4.10 is it worth it? 200

        Matt, What I can tell you is that a couple of years ago I used the LSD from a 1976 265 (3.54) and added it to a 1973 140 rear (4.30) from a factory M41 (overdrive) car. Then installed the '73 4.30 w/LSD rear into my 1969 144S to replace the original 4.10 (my car originally had an M40 (4-speed)--now an M41 .
        The LSD just bolted up. Because I was keeping the original '73 "guts" in the original '73 housing I didn't have to mess with guessing at shims and also didn't have to touch the pinion shaft. I used what came off and it went back together perfectly. -- Dave








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        Need some advise - Eaton G80 Limited Slip Diff - 1040/4.10 is it worth it? 200

        I worry the M47 II transmission you have would inevitably break as the aluminum case design was never meant to handle, AFAIK, power beyond that of a normally aspired eight-valve B2xx engine.

        You could drift in the snow and ice, so much more gentle than drifting with turbo-ed quattrovalve B234 on asphalt and concrete. Do so and the glass gears of an M47 will eat itself.

        Moving to the 4.10 aft end ratio alone may add some stress to the gear box with the factory eight valve normally aspired B2xx engine.

        Consider an M90L (I believe), a gear box from a late 1980s Toyota Supra with the I-6 engine, a latest version T-5 or better, or like beefcake gear box.

        Or our friend, the M46 with later P-Type O-Drive.

        Rarely there may be the steel-cased M47 along the production run for Turbo RWD Volvo four cylinder, yet whether that made it to North America ....

        Yet I broach mythos there. See turbobricks.

        http://forums.turbobricks.com/archive/index.php/t-245.html

        That stated, congrats on the Eaton find. Your image appears as an Eaton locker diff and not the typical Dayna limited slip clutch diff you find in factory 240.

        All said, I'm very jealous you can do what you're doing there with your perform up mod. Awesomeness.

        Hope that helps.

        Dry Cured Juniper Mutton Minced and Cased. With Birch smoke? Yay, Finland!

        Found on teh facebook .... had to plagiarize ...







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