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Can ABS cause pre-mature rear brake issues 200 1992

Thanks for hopefully a quick reply. Working on it this afternoon.

Replaced pads all around about a month or so back (plus front rotors/calipers).
Rear pads were evenly worn out, calipers seemed good.
Now the rear is worn out again, metal to metal.

Could the ABS be the culprit? The reason I asked is that I bled the front brakes in a normal fashion... right, then left (drivers) side. ABS looks to require more steps when bleeding, from what I am reading.

Thank you...
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"Do you think that's air you're breathing now'? (The Matrix 1999) '94 940T (400K+), 92 245 (250K+K)








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    Can ABS cause pre-mature rear brake issues 200 1992

    I had the same issue many years ago. Sounded like metal on metal coming from the rear. I was very busy at the time so I dropped it at the local shop expecting a rear brake job.

    The call I got was that the torque rod bushings were bad. Every time I would brake the rear end would shift and the torque rods would contact the body and transmit the sound and vibration throughout the car. It sounded just like bad brakes.
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    Bruce S. near D.C.








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      Fixed 200 1992

      Thanks for all the replies. Lots of good info shared.

      Bad pads were the culprit. New pads, along with new rotors have saved the day. I am still amazed at the noise immatating worn out pads.

      Again, thanks for the replies. The red wagon is back! Yeah! 🙌


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      "Do you think that's air you're breathing now'? (The Matrix 1999) '94 940T (400K+), 92 245 (250K+K)








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        Fixed 200 1992

        I thought the pads were like new?

        Dan








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          Fixed 200 1992

          They were. Purchased and installed from Advance about 6 months back.

          A local mechanic said he had seen a few situations where bad pads/material caused noise simular to worn out pad noise. I was able to swap the pads, and at the same time installed new rotors. Noise gone.
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          "Do you think that's air you're breathing now'? (The Matrix 1999) '94 940T (400K+), 92 245 (250K+K)








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    Can ABS cause pre-mature rear brake issues 200 1992

    Are the complete contact areas of your discs clean and shiny?

    When I purchased an '08 XC70, the tech who checked it out noted that the pads did not make proper contact with the discs - there was a hardened layer of rust on the discs, a shiny dark color. The discs should be bare metal.

    Since this was a safety issue, the selling dealer (a Lincoln dealer) replaced the front discs, turned the rear discs and put all new pads in as this condition cannot be properly repaired otherwise.

    When I test drove the car, and when I drove it 15 miles to my Volvo dealer I did not notice a problem.

    Did the car sit for a while before the grinding started?

    Our low mileage '12 XC70 will grind upon the first brake application if it has sat for a week - it is quiet thereafter. Discs can rust up fast.








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    Can ABS cause pre-mature rear brake issues 200 1992

    ABS should not require any extra steps to bleed (actual a whole lot less than a non-ABS 240) unless the MC is replaced or the reservoir was run dry. Even then, at least on the 9-series (I have never owned an ABS 240), the ABS unit is below the MC so all that has to be done is to bleed enough fluid out that any air that did enter the braking system upstream from the ABS unit is purged.

    ABS also should not cause premature rear pad wear. Does the ABS commonly activate on your car? Believe me, you will know if it does.

    Two thoughts:

    You did not mention bleeding the rears but you did mention it on the fronts...why?

    Are the "ways" on the rear calipers rusty enough the pads are not retracting when the pistons retract? This would cause rear brake drag and would show up in poor fuel economy but unless you are calculating it every fill-up, you might never notice.








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      The pads are new - what gives?? 200 1992

      First. Thanks for the reply.

      Your question. I did not bleed the rear, as I only changed the front calipers. I thought that was OK, and I do not have a pedal issue. If proper protocol calls for all 4, I will correct that.

      But now to something weird ... on checking, ALL THE PADS ARE JUST LIKE NEW ...but WHAT could it be making this noise that sounds just like a worn out set of pads??

      These are supposed to be higher end ceramics. Could the pad itself do something odd that causes the noise. Trust me ...it is LOUD!!

      Thanks for any and all ideas.
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      "Do you think that's air you're breathing now'? (The Matrix 1999) '94 940T (400K+), 92 245 (250K+K)








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        The pads are new - what gives?? 200 1992

        OK, this makes more sense.

        The bleeding...if you blocked the pedal half way down you should not need to bleed all four. If you got lucky (and it sounds like you did) you do not need to bleed all four. If you want to prolong the life of those rear calipers, flushing all the old fluid out of that circuit is a wise idea unless you have done it in the last 30K miles or 5 years.

        Pry all the pads back a bit with car pointing a way you can drive without using them (leave the car in neutral, pry them apart, start it and shift into drive). Accelerate to at least 30 mph and SLAM on the brakes but do not come to a full stop. Do this at least 3 times but preferably 5 or more and the closer to 50 mph you can get, the better. Drive softly for about 10 more minutes and then park it without holding the brake pedal down.

        IF your problem is pad glazing this has a small chance of solving it. At the very least it will make it better. It will bed the pads a little better.

        The brand and spec of pad might help but there are three variables I can think of:

        If the pads sound like they are grinding in the rear, they are not retracting enough to not drag. This might improve as soon as the new pads bed into the old rotors (just guessing). This might be a function of rusty ways as mentioned earlier.

        Ditto if it is the front making the noise.

        Finally, it might just be the compound or the lack of anti-squeal pads on the back of the brake pads.








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          The pads are new - what gives?? 200 1992

          Again ...thanks for the replies.

          This is not squealing. It sounds exactly like no pad left, grinding against the rotor.

          It is dark now, but I will pull all wheels in the AM and double check. Something has to be off. Never encountered anything like this before.

          I will ck back in a bit if someone has an epiphany. :)
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          "Do you think that's air you're breathing now'? (The Matrix 1999) '94 940T (400K+), 92 245 (250K+K)








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            pads are new but it still makes a scraping noise 200 1992

            "I will ck back in a bit if someone has an epiphany."

            No epiphany, but I quickly scanned the replies in this thread for mention of parking brake delamination... came up empty. Sorry if we missed the obvious.
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            Art Benstein near Baltimore

            Above my sig I try to tell the truth. Below, I compensate by passing along humor, rumor, and the BS all mail list readers crave.








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              pads are new but it still makes a scraping noise 200 1992

              Completely forgot that one! Especially if he replaced the rear rotors and had a hard time getting them off because they were hanging up on the shoes.








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            The pads are new - what gives?? 200 1992

            So I guess just answer with a more complete explanation of what you did. I am making a metric crap ton of assumptions.

            I now have a lot more experience with brakes and their failure modes (mostly non-Volvo but applicable) than I ever wanted due to the racing experience. I feel I am being given information "as needed" but it is likely either an attempt at brevity or just not realizing how important individual actions are.

            What rotors were replaced
            What pads were replaced with what pads
            When was the last brake flush
            Did you get new hardware kits...front?...rear?
            What were the condition of the rear calipers...rusted ways...uneven pad wear...how long did they last?
            How did you retract the pistons on the rear for the new pads
            How did you bleed the brakes
            What was the reason for the brake work in the first place!!!!!








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        The pads are new - what gives?? 200 1992

        Although the brakes seem to be working fine you should do a complete brake bleed if for nothing else to replace all the brake fluid in the system.

        200 series is notorious for squealing this can be quieted down by using a brake anti squealing compound and anti squeal brake pad shims on each pad.

        Dan







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