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Alternator light never really goes out

1990 745 300K +

Replaced the brush assembly on the starter for a friend. After getting the car running I noticed that the alternator light is never really going off.

I replaced the regulator and brush assembly, but it did not make any difference. I had a new rebuilt alternator I had scored at the pick and pull so I installed it. The light still remains on.

As the engine RPM's increase from idle the light dims but never goes out.

Suggestions on what might be the problem?

Thanks for any help.

Randy








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    Alternator light never really goes out

    Is the alternator grounded to the engine?
    Dan








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      Alternator light never really goes out

      Thanks for everyones' suggestions.

      The blue ground wire is in place but I ran a wire directly from the attachment point on the alternator to the negative post of the battery and there is no change in the glowing battery light.

      Unfortunately I seem to have misplaced my VOM so I need to find that or borrow one.

      I forgot to mention that the battery in this car is new.

      Randy








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        Alternator light never really goes out

        Once you find your meter, do as Onkel Udo suggested. At least this way you can divide the system between the stuff in the instrument panel and the stuff in the alternator. Then you will know which place to look for the problem.
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        Art Benstein near Baltimore

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      Alternator light never really goes out

      Gotta second this. The alternator ground wire in two of my 240's failed inside the crimp in the sub frame side. The red sleeve was all that was holding it together and there was no way to see the failure until I gave the thing a yank and it left the eye on bolt.

      Remember, out alternators are completely isolated from ground by the accessory bushings so that wire is the only thing between you and intermittent ccharging issues.








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        Additional information...

        My HVAC guy is here and I asked to borrow his VOM.

        I found that the battery is reading 12.4v and after starting the car it remains exactly that.

        I find it hard to believe that replacing the regulator/brush assembly on the original alternator and the replacement I put on are both dead. However, putting the meter between the positive lug on the alternator and the ground shows no voltage.

        What should that setup read on a good alternator?

        Randy








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          Additional information...

          All you are checking with that test is...not sure.

          How about disconnecting the exciter wire (tape up the end) and jumper from the big red lug to the exciter lug. Start the car and you should see about 13.6 V or more at idle.

          If that does not work check the resistance of ground wire. It should be very close of 0 ohm.








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            Additional information...

            Thanks for the suggestions, here is what I find:

            I measure 12.43v between the battery terminals- car running or not.

            I disconnected the exciter wire. With the car running connecting between the male spade (of the exciter wire) to the heavy red wire lug I find .04v

            With the key "on" from the female clip on the exciter wire to ground I find 12.11v

            No voltage on the heavy red wire at the alternator with key on or off.

            The ground wire from the alternator to the block is good, but as a double check I ran a wire directly from the alternator ground point to the battery negative terminal.

            As an aside at this point... I took the alternator that I removed from the car and had it tested. It tested good.

            Randy








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              "No voltage on the heavy red wire at the alternator with key on or off."

              Here's where your trouble is. That wire goes to the battery positive terminal. On a 240, it goes there via the starter. I assume it does on those 7/9 cars too.
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              Art Benstein near Baltimore

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                Additional information... 700

                It does.

                So you either messed up the starter install forgetting to connect the jumper wire (pretty easy to do if you have not done it few times) or more likely the crimp for the eye on the starter-to-alternator cable has gone bad. If so, it was likely bad all along but became completely disconnected during the starter swap.








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                  Charging problem resolved 700

                  You and Art were, of course, correct. That second cable to the starter had gotten pushed up and I missed it.

                  Looking for someone to blame I will point fingers at Mr. Fatigue and Mr. Inattention.

                  Thanks for the help.

                  Randy








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      Alternator light never really goes out

      hi pageda- that was my first thought here too. would be useful to check the alternator output at the alternator hot wire in the back too. should be 13.5-14.5v. to check the ground on the old american tanks you would jump a wire from the engine block or negative batt terminal to the body of the alternator (not the hot wire) and see if changes in output and the dash light changed. betting it is the ground wire. surmise the ground is the problem . should also check for corrosion and connections to the starter wires. thanks tons oldduke








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        Alternator light never really goes out

        Like oldduke says, get your multimeter and test the output on a cold engine. As oldduke says on the voltage output.

        When you say you replaced the brush assembly, oh, I see, on the starter motor of your 1990 Volvo 740 estate / wagon.

        You replaced the:
        • large copper brushes on the starter motor, or
        • the starter motor brushes.

        I was confused and though you meant the alternator brushes. D'oh!

        It would not hurt to perform a full check of starting and charging. Though the problem could be in the solenoid as a mistake to the repair in the solenoid (I've done it). You used quality and not after market brushes for the presumably Bosch starter motor, or another model?

        As for charging faults, you may want to check this first. Harbor Freight sells cheap, cheap, cheap multimeters that work ok for like 7$.

        • Agree Dan and Onkel and oldduke with conductor as ground from the alternator body to the engine block. The braided conductor can fray and break sometime at or in the ring terminal insulators. Use braided copper conductor or a strong stranded conductor of a proper insulation temp rating for under the auto hood. Does not hurt to up the factory conductor by one gauge, considering the current. Though I see the alternator ground conductor on 240 as a size too small.
        • New brush ends on a worn slip ring interface? If the alternator is also 200k. Doubtful, unless rebuilt.
        • Presuming you merely replaced the brushes on the alternator brush carrier or voltage regulator ... New brushes are Bosch or OEM to your alternator brand? You allowed enough brush length to secure contact the slip rings?
        • Failing voltage regulator, if as many miles as your 1990 745.
        • Failing one or more field coil windings in the stator or rotor (armature?)
        • Battery cable on battery posts secure and free of corrosion? B+ conductor from B+ on battery post and conductor from starter motor to alternator B+.
        • Check the excite D+ connection.

        Here we have the Volvo 700-900-90 series FAQ hosted right here on your mighty brickboard.com, with the topic on starting and charging:

        https://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/ElectricalStarting.htm

        If you checks on the charging system do not work out, perhaps pull the starter again and check for faults or shorts that should not be there.

        You have service manuals? We do have:

        http://www.volvowiringdiagrams.com/?dir=volvo/740%20Wiring%20Diagrams

        As for the starter motor or alternator internal electrics, use your experience or fins wiring diagrams specific to the starter motor and alternator.

        For some Volvo OEM factory green manuuals, try:
        http://www.volvotips.com/

        Be certain you use the most modern browser version, pop-ups DISABLED, the most current media runtime Volvo Tip's uses. Do not let Flash or Shockwave media runtimes store data on the drive. Adobe refuses to make a secure media runtime. So Mozilla balks.

        Download drivers from the OEM source ONLY, never third party sites.

        Hope that helps.

        Back to writing cover letters for jobs. yay.

        Thanks,

        The Sleeping Pill (Benardryl) Works Best the following Morning. Like Now.
        --
        The Volvo 164: The Mightiest of All Volvo Automobiles in Perpetuity








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          Alternator light never really goes out

          I have tried two alternators. First I simply changed the regulator/brush assembly on the original. The dim/glowing alternator light remained the same. At that point I put in a nearly new rebuilt alternator, and that did not make a difference either.

          The car was towed to my house because of a no start situation that remained after having him try several different solutions. It turned out to be worn out brushes in the starter.

          Local sourcing a new Bosch starter was $194, while a rebuilt Bosch starter was $108. A local auto electric supply house had a new Bosch brush assembly for $110 and an aftermarket brush assembly for $11. I did not price a brush pack as one of the original springs was damaged and why solder four brushes on to the holder when the aftermarket unit was so inexpensive. The starter is working great at this point.

          I have not been able to get in contact with the car's owner but I am guessing that the glowing alternator light is not a new condition.

          Randy








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            Alternator light never really goes out 700 1990

            Hi Randy,

            Thank you. Sorry to go on so. Sometimes I leave the "urgent" button in my forehead pressed in too much on these replies. I'd like to reach out through these posts somehow and help some of you folks in person if I could. If just to do something nice for other people. Maybe not so feasible.

            That the alternator light was probably already illuminated before your starter motor repair and that you tried two different alternators may suggest a problem is in the dash head or between the dash head and the aforementioned adjacent systems.

            If the remaining dash lights extinguish fully when the engine ignites and runs, and only the alternator light remains dimly illuminated, well, in the previous paragraph.

            Please reply back as you like when you know when the charging voltage is on your first time in the morning cold start of your 1990 Volvo 745.

            Check the battery voltage first, start the engine, and we hope your see like 13.5 to 14.5 Volts DC.

            Remove the dash head from the dash and other items:
            https://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/ElectricalInstruments.htm

            Ignition:
            https://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/ElectricalIgnition.htm

            I've seen this before like in the 1980s or early 1990s ... A dim alternator light that never extinguishes. But once the cause was a failed rectifier bridge that sent an AC sine wave ripple through the DC out. There may have been other issues affecting that alternator. There have been instances where I have worked with more than one device or components, and both were faulty.

            Well, post back in response to anyone when you get a multimeter on it and test for volts.

            Your 1990 Volvo 745 has 300k miles. Did it reside in the Ohio-state region the entire time? Does the owner have a key chained weighed down with, well, a lotta weight (bad for Volvo key switch ignition!). Also, there may continuity interruption for that gremlin-inducing thing we like to call corrosion all along the wire harness connections and the Watch Tower (apologies to Jimi Hendrix).

            https://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/MaintenanceManuals.htm

            So, I go back to the dash head, connections to it, and perhaps an issue in the dash head.

            I need a job. Get back to work. No more funny business.

            And get some new rear shocks on the 1992 240 GL.

            And a date with a lovely woman.

            cheers,

            dud.
            --
            The Volvo 164: The Mightiest of All Volvo Automobiles in Perpetuity







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