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1993 240 wagon Rear GRIND! 200

Looking for some advice and direction....
Last year I replaced all the rear suspension bushings with the IPD Polyurethane kit!! and new shocks!!!! on my 240 1993 Wagon.
http://www.ipdusa.com/products/5299/109368-rear-bushing-kit-polyurethane
However even before I fitted it when the car had an average load in it (two
people) in the rear or a small 2000Lb trailer hooked up to it with "some" load in it the rear makes a noise that sounds like something is grinding in the rear - its not a major grinding noise but its not comforting driving with it happening.

I think the weight is changing the angle of the prop shaft when the car is loaded!

I’m wondering if its the Carrier bearing rubber has collapsed broke and needs replacing or if its the prop shaft universal joints. Neither have been repaired/replaced during my ownership of 15 years.

I was wondering about replacing the Carrier rubber / bearing and Universal joints if it is this all at the same time.... any advice on the repair which parts are better and which size bearing it would be on a 1993 - as I see that there is 1.75" and 2" bearings and is it likely to be the Carrier Rubber/bearing or UJ's

Looking at the videos it looks like the bearing is a pig to get off and on!









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    1993 240 wagon Rear GRIND! 200

    Hello,

    Having had both a centre bearing fail and a drive shaft u joint fail in recent years. I can perhaps offer some advice on your question. I can't however comment on towing trailers or IDP poly bushings, which can squeak sometimes but not grind.

    A grinding noise is not characteristic of a failing U-joint. As the pin bearings disintegrate you will not likely hear an audible grind. What happens when a U-joint goes is more a thumping vibration, especially when under load in acceleration starting from a stop, but it can also quiet down at speed and get louder in certain ranges. My failing rear U-joint, for example, would vibrate the coins in my ashtray at speeds greater than 90km/hr. The U-joint also kicked up a bit of a thumping vibration when braking to a stop as the rear of the car lifted and the angle the rear u-joint had to operate at changed. I drove the car for a year like this and the u-joint needle bearings on one arm of the u-joint were complete dust. Most members on the board will tell you it is the rear U-joint that fails first.

    As for a centre bearing failing, mine sounded like a whirling growl. like an failing bearing. In fact I first thought it was the passenger wheel bearing. but it was the centre driveshaft bearing. If you suspect this bearing is dry or old and about to fail, its a good idea to change it. a bearing is cheap. The rubber donut, dusk deflector and spring not to mention the potential damage to the underside of your car is a certain to be a bit more costly in the event of a catastrophic failure.

    if the carrier bearing rubber is collapsed or failing this can be easily checked by looking under the car.
    the driveshaft sits about an inch or two above the carrier bearing cradle support member. housed in the rubber donut. grab it with your hands and try to bounce it around a bit and see if it is doing its job right.

    none of these parts in my experience give off a 'grinding' noise.

    -rear emergency brake can grind and click inside the drum when it is going bad. lots of other things can grind.

    As for buying parts and which parts are better. My own preference is that if the job takes more than 4 hrs to do it's worth paying the premium and buying OEM. A u-joint cost me 95$ recently compared to maybe 17-25$ and a centre bearing about 55$ are the made in England Volvo stuff better ? I don't know, but if they last an extra year or two under the car with road salt and debris compared to generic parts, that's money well spent in my opinion, because I don't want to change them again anytime soon. The centre bearing inside race isn't that hard to drive off with a hammer and punch. the u-joint is a bit tricky to reassemble and to not crush the needle bearings inside the cap.

    If you're going to tackle this job, come back for more advice.
    I'd be looking for other sources of 'grind' noise first tho.

    let us know how it goes !
    good luck,








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      1993 240 wagon Rear GRIND! 200

      Thanks jonny2box I had the car up on a lift (for its annual safety) and played with the prop and talked to the tech who is an ex volvo mechanic from 17 years old at the main dealer and also a Volvo fan.
      The carrier bearing was sloppy/loose in the rubber and was moving up and down approx 2-3mm - so I have ordered a replacment part from FCP and will fit it shortly.
      Volvo Drive Shaft Center Support Bearing Carrier(244 245 240) - Genuine Volvo 1221635OE $40!

      The Ujoints and carrier bearing seem to be OK, so after fitting the carrier I will see if the vibration goes away.
      For clarification the Grinding as I described it was nore vibration/rubbing noise than grinding and happened not only when there was an empty trailer attached but when there was weight in the back - for example even with a full tank of fuel!!!








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        1993 240 wagon Rear GRIND! 200

        I also don't think a grinding noise would be coming from a U-joint--but I have to ask---did the technician unbolt the driveshaft from the rear so the U-joints could be manipulated through their full range of motion--they seize up (no play) as often as they might wear out. Unless there's evidence of a problem with the U-j (slop or rust trails) that's the only way to know for sure. When the driveshaft comes down to replace the carrier you'll know. The u-joints for Volvos are common and if needed to be replaced you can be confident in a quality part if you stick with old time name brands. If you do need a joint(s) and you purchase the type with a grease fitting--be sure it's installed correctly with access to the nipple. -- Dave








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    1993 240 wagon Rear GRIND! 200

    "a small 2000Lb trailer hooked up to it with "some" load in it"

    Not actually my definition of small but check the official Volvo towing weights.
    15 years of general use including towing probably means that your prop shaft would benefit from new U/J's especially the back one. While it's out also a good idea to change the mid bearing and carrier and anything else relevant. With the car on a lift it's pretty easy to check all the joints but U/J's can fool you when fitted. They really need to be checked with the flange disconnected so you can twist them through their full travel.








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      1993 240 wagon Rear GRIND! 200

      Thaks Derek
      Actual the trailer is a Harbour freight 1195lb
      http://www.harborfreight.com/1195-lb-capacity-48-inch-x-96-inch-heavy-duty-foldable-utility-trailer-with-12-inch-wheels-90154.html
      which is mostly only half loaded so its probably nearer 500-1000lb
      Ill check what you suggested ....
      I have a remp so I will be under there the weekend!







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