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Help needed trouble shooting A/C 200 1991

Bought this 240 (1991) over the winter and the PO told me the a/c needed a little work, apparently it used to work and then just croaked on him. Got bored today and fooled around with it and here's what I've got so far:

There was power to the switch on the dash, but no power to the low pressure switch. I figured the relay was toast so I tried another one and sure enough, I got power to the low pressure switch. I could only get power to one side of the switch so I'm assuming the system is low or depleted of refrigerant. I jumped the switch to see if the compressor would kick on, and it did, but of course no cold air.

The car hasn't been retro fitted for r-134a so that's a must I'm assuming. One thing I noticed is that on the side of the car where the low pressure switch is, there are two ports for the a/c system that are under plastic caps. The smaller one just looks like a Schrader valve so I'm assuming it's the low side port. The other one is larger and I wasn't sure what it was, there is a bunch of green goop under the cap though. Maybe they pumped it full of dye or stop leak at some point?

Anyway I'd like to get it working again, just not sure what the next step would be in identifying what's keeping it from working properly. I'm assuming there's a leak somewhere since the system has very little pressure, also worried about the green goo from the mystery port.

What do you guys think? Worth messing with or is it just Pandora's box?








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Help needed trouble shooting A/C 200 1991

Personally I think you have done a good job of diagnosing, an unknown to you system.

You went through the proper steps to verify that you have lost refrigerant by studying the low pressure switch. When you jumped the switch connector that concluded it takes pressure to operate the magnetic clutch and electrically verified a good ground circuit.
Those relays are sometimes a time delay relay on the cars! Just thought I would throw that in the mix! (:-)

You apparently have not opened the system to know if there was the any gas at all? Or failed to mention that detail.
If there was a slight pressure in the system, that will keep out air or moisture under most weather conditions.
So your dryer portion of the system should have stayed in good condition.
Never pull a vacuum and leave it that way. Always leave a slight pressure if possible.

The evidence of a colored slime is most likely a leak detecting dye. Since its under the that valve cap, protected from the outside environment, the material under there should not be corroded.

The valve under suspicion is a Volvo factory "assembly line" use only valve.
It appears to a special high volume designed port when compared to a Schrader port.
That's it's down fall. The size of the seal/sealing surface area inside, time and the spring.

This thing was made for the assembling line so as to have a "one an only, fast port."
They pull the vacuum, fill the system in one fell "swoop" right into a receiver/accumulator canister to boil off and equalize.

I have not seen an access fitting like the one used before. I am not aware that a female one is offered anywhere on my side of the trade. But then, I was never a professional "automotive service technician" across many brands either.
When "We" need to go that big, we use actual "service valves" that have metal seats with slip on wrench handles for the stems.

I explained my position about this, So this way, I can call it a "unique piece of crap" today!
That thing is probably connected to the GM's think tank.
The place for saving time & labor, all in their favor. A Plus, might come into play for some of those future "special tools" sales.
Volvo likes to present those in manuals as well! Though, I have not seen it!

I am aware that the valve CAN and does leak! Along with an occasional crankshaft seal on these compressors.
These are the only leak points I have ever had on my system.

I super glued a very flat metal slug over the top mine to seal it. If that had not worked for me I was very prepared to just silver braze it shut!
The "O" ringed cap works well but is not infallible. Just like the dust caps on a car tires! There for more or less as a back up.

If you have a bad compressor seal or going bad, there will be a film of oil secreting on the face of the clutch plate or spinning off beside it onto the frame of the car.
Look for some there and clean that area to make sure it's dry before recharging!

It's a ceramic/carbon face sealed with an oil film but all is supported by neoprene.
They leak after long periods of non use as the oil flim evaporates and the carbon sticks in the residue or skips onto a dry spot.
Upon startup it "can" rip a surface path. Most of the time it wears back in but age catches up to everything.
Maintenance, is to exercise the A/C every few months or less! Use it or lose it.

Use it to defrost with heat during winter. Even on foggy, rainy wet shoes days! It helps tremendously to keep the car dryer inside.

Make sure to do a 30 minute leak down system test upon recharge.
I personally, Rotate the clutch face plate shaft by hand a few turns during the waiting period.

This gives me sometime to do, besides pick my ... nose! (:-)

As far as opening a Pandora's box, (:-) this box it has multiple lids!

They are call the Doors, on any car!

Think of the A/C as a cookie jar and you like to have a cookie every once and awhile. (:-)

You know you have to smile some, to get your lips around a whole cookie!
Phil








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Help needed trouble shooting A/C 200 1991

The system is probably depleted of refrigerant. 25-year old AC system components may be made to work. I also have a 1991 240 with a failed R-12 AC system.

Please look here:

TP11584-1 Volvo 240 Air Conditioning Repair and Maintenance.pdf

In http://www.volvowiringdiagrams.com/?dir=volvo/240%20Wiring%20Diagrams

Is:

http://www.volvowiringdiagrams.com/volvo/240%20Wiring%20Diagrams/TP11584-1%20Volvo%20240%20Air%20Conditioning%20Repair%20and%20Maintenance.pdf

If you have the EPA license to work with refrigerants like R-12, you can use the equipment to recover any remaining R-12 in the system. Some people have reported success merely replacing seals through the AC system, swapping the oil and evaporator, drawing a vacuum to prove a sealed system, and charge with the various blends. Some may change a valve in a tube near the bottom of the AC condenser on the passenger side.

If you have the equipment to pull down a vacuum on the closed AC system, so that it holds a vacuum, then go for it. You may be able to use hybrid refrigerants. If the system has been without charge the evaporator-drier (big silver cannister by the wiper motor) requires replacement.

Conversion to R-134A may be choice.

If the search works well today, you can search the brickboard for this many-time treated topic of AC in your 240.

From the 700-900 FAQ (though the fan motor is different than in your 240):

https://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/HeatingAirConditioning.htm

Some guidance on R134a conversion on the 700/900/90 series:

https://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/VolvoR134Conversion/R134ConversionPage1.htm

Others will chime in with useful info.

Questions?

Thank you,

MacDuff.







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