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Thermostats, Antifreeze and Car Storage 200

Thanks again to everyone who replied to my posting earlier this week. These are somewhat different topics, so I'm starting a new thread. I checked the Brickboard FAQs, but didn't find answers to these questions.

I own a 1980 242DL (NA) and a 1989 Toyota Camry and have just serviced the entire cooling system on both. Thanks to the FAQs and contributions from the last postings, I modified how I'm storing my 242DL. In yesterday's mail, I received a Wahler thermostat for the DL and a Stant for the Camry; both are considered top-of-the-line/OEM quality.

As to storage of the DL, I bought Sta-Bil Fogging Oil and sprayed generous amounts down each spark plug hole, into the top of the intake, and into the oil cap on the cylinder head. To disperse/distribute the fogging oil down the cylinder walls, I then cranked the engine, admitted I was a little lazy, so I turned the ignition key with the ignition coil unplugged from the wire, instead of hand rotating the crankshaft). Based upon another website, I plugged the air intake manifold hose to reduce moist air from entering the combustion chamber (though I don't think that applies to fuel injection systems like the Bosch CIS on my DL). I live in a humid/moist/foggy area where everything unprotected seems to rust within a month.

Question 1: how often should I crank the engine and add more fogging oil?

I bought the long-life Peak brand antifreeze and put a 50/50 mixture into my cooling system. After doing that, I found out there's a lifetime version of Peak, which has almost the same ingredients, per Peak's website:

Peak Global Lifetime: 90-97% ethylene glycol, 30-50 ppm denatonium benzoate, < 5% diethylene glycol, < 5% hydrated inorganic acid and organic acid salts (proprietary), < 4% water

Peak Long Life: 5 years/150k miles, phosphate and silicate-free
90-97% ethylene glycol, 30-50 ppm denatonium benzoate, < 5% diethylene glycol, <5% organic acid salts (proprietary), < 4% water

The difference between these two is only the inorganic acid salts.

Peak Conventional (2 year) Green Concentrate:
90-95% ethylene glycol, 0-5% diethylene glycol, 1-2% dipotassium phosphate, 30-50 ppm denatonium benzoate

The difference between these is the inorganic and organic salts and dipotassium phosphate

Wikipedia discusses coolant and says: β€œIn the absence of leaks, antifreeze chemicals such as ethylene glycol or propylene glycol may retain their basic properties indefinitely. By contrast, corrosion inhibitors are gradually used up, and must be replenished from time to time.” The word "may" is troublesome and wikipedia implied shelf-life and didn't address specifically a car in storage.

Question 2: what is the lifespan of the 5 year coolant in a stored engine that is NOT started, and how often should I change it?

Questions 3 and 4: Assuming the car is stored for more than 5 years and not driven or started, instead of changing coolant, can I safely add corrosion inhibitors at 5 years (or whatever interval is proper)? If so, any recommendations as to brand/chemicals or how I can get the underlying chemicals cheaply, say from a chemistry supplier?

My Wahler thermostat box has a date of 1997, implying that it was manufactured 17 years ago. I bought it from a store in Southern California (Ontario, specifically). I will keep the Calorstat thermostat as a back up. Thermostats installed in cars have the benefit of corrosion protection from the antifreeze. That benefit does not apply to thermostats stored in a garage in a humid environment. Should I coat the non-installed thermostat in oil, or some other chemical to protect it from rust? Same question as to the thermostat gasket.

Thanks!








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    Thermostats, Antifreeze and Car Storage 200

    Yow, you sure can think, my man!

    As I mentioned, you need to just watch the Ph. You can do that with some test strips from an auto parts supplier or maybe Edmund Scientific. They used to be into selling chemicals and all kinds of neat things used through school education programs.

    There is one thing to watch out for, the test strips do not last for ever. They have a shelf-life as well!

    Instead of trying to become a chemist of sorts, you could draw off and replace with fresh what ever is necessary to maintain the Ph.

    In my estimation since the chemical are not being heated or agitated there will be less a chance for aggressive interactions or chemical breakdowns that have not already been neutralized.

    The cars system is not sealed like it was canned as there is no vacuum so, it's not perfectly sealed up.
    Those Plastic containers have only a tamper proof seal to prevent leakage. What about Brake fluids shelf-life? It is handle the same and it loves moisture? Any best used by date on those? No!

    In other words, it should last a long time.
    A wild guess would be half as much again if you can figure out who's or what lifetime "IS" really the question. Some true sense of the word would be nice but don't hold your breath?
    It's like what is a promise and what happens if it not honored... It's not a guarantee or contract?
    Promises are among only nice people who play by the rules.

    How often to fog... Now thats truly a foggy question! What ever makes you feel good I guess?

    Did you say something about inside the valve cover too? Never heard that one before.
    A polished surface or ground and harden metal takes quite awhile to rust once oil is on it. But then, you are thinking way ahead of me, again!

    17 years for a thermostat to be shelved is a slow mover....or that parts house must be next door to a Mausoleum.
    I did not and would not think that a 87C is that unpopular a degree range either!

    I believe I mention to you that a 92C degree one was specified more in manuals. Now I shall say, especially for stringent emission states like California or USA marketed cars.

    The Wahler is made of brass so as long as you keep it boxed away from dirt I am not aware that a wax pellet can decompose sitting for years?
    You might want to boil it in vegetable oil to check it for accuracy because it is old and still under a warranty.

    Ok, I tried guys to stick my neck out there, come get me. 😢😬😯 play time!
    It's raining a lot in the Northwest, can you tell?
    Phil







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