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Rod Knock? 200

My 84 244ti just started to knock. On start up when cold you can't hear the knock but after worm up when you rev up the engine and let the engine return to idle thats when you hear the knock. So would that be a rod knock? You don't hear it at any other time.
Charlie








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    Rod Knock? 200

    I just did a Leak down test (Old School Test) and found #1 cylinder rings leaking so rebuilding is in order or I have found a block that may be a way to go for now.








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      Rod Knock? 200

      Feel free to drive it in the interim if you are using a short block. You could likely go another 30K miles assuming it was the dry test only that you failed and not the wet and dry (hence the rings being suspect).

      FYI, #1 cylinder on an NA motor is the least common to go bad from head gasket or, I assume (only heard of one other instance!), ring failure of B21/23/230 NA motor.








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    Rod Knock? 200

    How many million miles are on this car ? Volvo bottom ends are pretty reliable. If the car has been raced or run out of oil, well... As suggested before, I would spend some time figuring out where the noise is coming from rather than condemn the rod bearings too soon.

    How is your oil pressure ? Are the cylinders loaded with carbon ? Compression ? Etc.

    Greg








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      Rod Knock? 200

      Greg,
      The car has 260K on it. Have had the car for 14yrs.and no it hasn't been raced. All ways up on the oil changes and oil pressure good. Compression 1.125 2. 145 3.145 4.145.








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        Rod Knock? 200

        With the plug out of cylinders 2,3, or 4 does it look like there is a lot of carbon on the top of the pistons ?

        Hook up a mechanical oil pressure gauge and see what you have at hot idle. Does your oil pressure light flicker when you hear the noise ?

        Greg








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        Rod Knock? 200

        "Compression 1.125 2. 145 3.145 4.145."

        First cylinder is low. Greater than a 10psi difference. Why?
        --
        1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb, M46 trans, 3:31 dif, in Brampton, Ont.








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    Rod Knock? 200

    quote.......

    "First off, eliminate all of the accessories like the alternator, power steering pump, A. C. compressor by removing the belts one at a time. If the noise is gone, of course the problem is a belt driven accessory. If the noise is still there you should be able to hear it more clearly by not having the accessories whirring away.

    Try to track the noise down with the stethoscope tip or the end of the hose suckered onto the engine surface, sealing the end. Spend a full ten minutes putting the hose all over the engine, not just where it is loudest. Try to envision the parts moving inside the engine. You are training your ear, not just listening, so don't get in a big rush except to be sure that the engine doesn't overheat. A trained ear can tell you which piston is slapping or which rocker arm is clacking from outside the engine so if you come out from under the car proudly saying, "it's the bottom end" get your dumb-ass back under there until you can tell it's coming from the oil pump or the 3rd piston back on the driver's side or the flywheel or the camshaft.

    Rod knocks are loudest at higher speeds (over 2500 RPM) Feathering the gas pedal may result in a distinctive back rattle between 2500 and 3500 RPMs.

    Bad rod knocks may double knock if enough rod bearing material has been worn away allowing the piston to whack the cylinder head in addition to the big end of the connecting rod banging on the crankshaft rod journal. It will sound like a hard metallic knock (rod) with an alternating and somewhat muffled aluminum (piston) klock sound.

    Determining which cylinder contains the noisy parts may be aided by shorting out the plug wires one by one with a common low voltage test light. Now you won't get the bulb to light up but it is a convenient way to short the cylinders without getting zapped or damaging the ignition coil.

    Attach the alligator clip to a convenient ground, away from fuel system components, and pierce the wire boots at the distributor end of the wire.

    If the noise is changed when the plug wire is shorted to ground, you can figure that the problem is in the reciprocating bottom end parts. (piston, wrist pin, connecting rod or connecting rod bearing)

    The reason the sound changes is that when you short the cylinder plug wire you are stopping the burning of fuel in the combustion chamber that is slamming the piston downward making the inside of the big end of the connecting rod bang against it's connecting rod journal. Or in the case of piston slap, no combustion changes how the piston is shoved hard sideways against the cylinder wall.

    If you get a change in the sound when you short a cylinder out it may become moot as to what the problem is because the oil pan and cylinder head must be removed to correct the problem."








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      Rod Knock? 200

      I'm going to have to try shorting each plug wire. also eliminate each of the accessories.My biggest problem is my hearing (tinnitus) so I will have to find someone to help with that. Thanks for your help.







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