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Air Conditioning - High Pressure and Low pressure Schrader Valve Locations 200 1993

I have a 240 Volvo 1993, Maybe I am loosing it but I cannot find the high pressure schrader valve location. I see what looks like a schrader on the backside of the compressor but I can not imagine that volvo would bury this in that nasty spot. If is it is the schrader I will have to remove the power steering hose.


I have found the obvious one by the receiver but where is the other?


Help

Thanks








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    Air Conditioning - High Pressure and Low pressure Schrader Valve Locations 200 1993

    IIRC the absence of the ports on a 240 compressor came in ~92. A 91 has the old style port fittings for charging R12. If converted (using a Volvo kit) to R134 the compressors don't have ports but the accumulator has the port, althoug needs conversion to a shrader valve from the old style port and the conversion fitting for the old style port to a Schrader valve is found at NAPA for $5

    My system doesn't leak anywhere except the Shrader valve, and nearly every time I recharge with R134 I replace that da**d Shrader valve. You can get the insert replacements for them and they always leak! I have a bag full of spares.








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    Air Conditioning - High Pressure and Low pressure Schrader Valve Locations 200 1993

    When I had to recharge my sister's '89-245, I did it through the LOW pressure valve located on the rear of the compressor. I had to loosen the power steering hose connection and rotate the hose out of the way to gain access to the valve.
    --
    1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb, M46 trans, 3:31 dif, in Brampton, Ont.








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      Air Conditioning - High Pressure and Low pressure Schrader Valve Locations 200 1993

      My 87 and 88 have the valves on the compressor and what I have done is use one of the plastic(disposable) hoses that come with and ground down one side of it partially and it fits without having to loosen or move any PS hoses.








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    Air Conditioning - High Pressure and Low pressure Schrader Valve Locations 200 1993

    On my '91, The factory evacuation and recharge valve is on the accumulator can on the low side.

    It was the source of my first leak I ever had until I lost a seal in the compressor recently.

    I fixed it by taking a metal slug out of an electrical box and stoning it smooth. I then used super glued and attached to the top under the cap. Between that and the "O" ring no more leakage.

    I have always thought that there should be a Schrader mounted right into that can.
    My car has compressor valves so I have not modified my accumulator.

    If it were me I would weld a threaded aluminum boss onto the aluminum can for a Schrader. It will be on the low side for filling by weight charging.

    Of course you can charge it from a high side line under a vacuum too but you have no ability to easily check the operation of the low side control switch for later trouble shooting.

    Knowing those low side pressures will tell you what is going on inside the cabins evaporator. Whether the switch went out of calibration, low charge or a restriction cause by the high side orifice.

    Since you are picking up parts give it a thought and look at what fits what.

    Phil








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    Air Conditioning - High Pressure and Low pressure Schrader Valve Locations 200 1993

    You aren't imagining things. Believe it or not, the later compressors have NO ports on the back of the compressor. The casting that carries the hose fittings is not supplied with ports.

    I've had my AC guys add high side ports to three later cars. If you are lucky, someone has already done yours. Check along the high line all the way. We've found several creative spots, all different. Also the high side hose behind the grill.

    DS








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      Air Conditioning - High Pressure and Low pressure Schrader Valve Locations 200 1993

      Thanks for the quick response. This board always amazes me. I have looked the full length and behind the grill, nothing. Going to Atlanta tomorrow, numerous 240s at pull a parts. Maybe I will get lucky and find something I can scavenge of the units there.

      What a waste i just bought a gauge set and was eager to put it to use. The system is empty, I think I see where the leak is. Appears that the heat recovery pipe that draws hot air of the manifold has rubbed a hole through the line to the condenser.

      Thanks Again








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        Air Conditioning - High Pressure and Low pressure Schrader Valve Locations 200 1993

        Careful changing the casting on the back of the compressor, they aren't all interchangeable. Have your AC guy plumb a new fitting into one of the high side hoses and be done with.

        Good luck!

        DS








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          Air Conditioning - High Pressure and Low pressure Schrader Valve Locations 200 1993

          DS

          I have return from my Atlanta trip, visited 3 wreckers and 12 different 240. Found lots of goodies including the AC pipe that was problematic. Amazingly in the 12 cars did not find one intact center counsel.

          I have installed and pulled a vacuum on the system, with the one port that is on the 1993. System holds vacuum drawing on this one port.

          Is is safe to charge the system on with 26 fluid ounces of 134 and I am done? Do I really need the high pressure port if I have drawn the vacuum?


          MS








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            Air Conditioning - High Pressure and Low pressure Schrader Valve Locations 200 1993

            You do not necessarily have to a high port to do anything on your '93 system providing you know a few things about the condition of the system.


            First of all I need to say this disclaimer up front.....
            I have never seen a '93's under the hood components per say. I only know of my '91 R-12 system of which I believe to be very similar especially in the refrigerant cycle.
            Port fittings are probably different due to R-12 versus R-134 and the requirement not to mix them.

            When pulling a vacuum it would be better and faster to pull from both sides of a system to remove the most air/moisture quickly from two directions but it is not crucial. The larger diameter factory low side valve allowed quick access to do both. The answer would be yes, the low side is fine.

            By having a low side observation port, if there is a restricted orifice or other obstruction the low side pressure will not rise properly. It will always stay low like being under charged.
            If the unit is over charged, the low side will always stay higher than normal. The gas will not have a place to go and will become bound up "flow" wise.
            In "Either case" cooling efficiency will decrease!
            The switch in the accumulator is a controller and frosting preventer. The low side port is for monitoring it too. It is a very important part.


            The dryer desiccant is on the low side and the high side is only tubing today. This keep the orifice free of ice inside it. The desiccant screens will also trap particles but is a little late to protect the orifice from compressor particles. (:-(0

            This enclosed package, I believe, started out as a GM/Delco design.
            I first saw them on about a '75 Corvette. It was up behind and under the right wheel well. You could open them. He'll of a place to put that thing to have change out the desiccant from!
            It still used a TXV though!
            An ultra sonic sight glass was used to charge them. Almost a must IF it did not have a sight glass or IF you could not see it!

            So, Knowing the condition of the system comes down to, if the system was left open/uncapped to the outside elements for any extended length of time. Rule of thumb is longer than a half hour.

            In the case of a "wet" system a good long time on the vacuum pump is in order. In those cases I go around with a heat gun and warm up components. This will decrease the boiling off time to suck out excess moisture from tubing and even that "desiccant package" inside the accumulator.
            Releasing small bursts or quantities of "gas only" into the system can help stir things up and move out contaminants too!

            After cleaning and holding a vacuum ( pump off) for at least thirty minutes the unit can then be charged. A good indication that there is no vacuum leakage, except at the ports seals which are open and things have boiled out while under the vacuum. Ports can have bad pressure sealing. The back up reason for caps!


            With a complete vacuum the entire weighed charge should go in. It will equalize over a few minutes as the orifice is large enough to pass gas easily, as it designed to throttle liquid.
            The orifice is basically a shortened length version of a capillary tube type of operating pressure reducing device. It is a reason for the term, critical weight charging! This is a balanced quantity system.

            Any knowledge needed for high side pressures readings has already been calculated into the weight. This saved them the cost of having that port.
            Orifices are far cheaper to make than TXV's but there are critical rules to follow and one is weight charging!

            A minor note about, an orifice tube device. It will provide a wider temperature range of operation and higher capacity over a capillary tube system. So they still can ship them "more or less" world wide with minor charging adjustment if any at all.

            FYI,
            Where as, you take the older capillary tube refrigerators are charged more to the climate they are shipped to.
            Do not try to take a North American refrigerator to the tropics or vice versa, you may be very disappointed!

            If you read the manuals of the new high efficiency refrigerators they are very big on telling you about not using it in a very hot or cold garage! A Very tight band of range now or kiss it good bye working correctly and with cheapness! Better insulation, Smaller motors and calculated to a Nat's butt!

            Anyhow, enough with spilling thoughts.
            Wish you happy cooling soon!
            Phil








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              Air Conditioning - High Pressure and Low pressure Schrader Valve Locations 200 1993

              As stated on previously, replace one line from Wrecker pulled and held a vacuum of 28 in on low pressure side only due to the fact there is no high side schrader, maintained for 1/2 hour. Vacuum was maintained with pump off, left for 24 hours and gauge did not move.

              Added .25 Fluid once of PAG 46 for the line replacement only and then two 12 ounce cans of 146A. I read on another page that capacity was 26.5, I am 2.5 ounces short but air is cool, dont know if I will add the other 2.5 ounces.

              Thanks for all the advice in particular Thanks DS and Machine Man. AC is a must in Lower Alabama

              Hope this helps someone else out there with a 1993 240 Volvo

              Couple other links that were helpful

              Eric the Car Guy -

              https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&rlz=1C1TSNF_enUS502US502&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8&q=eric%20the%20car%20guy%20air%20conditioning


              Oil and Refrigerant Capacities

              http://techchoiceparts.com/refrigerant-and-oil-capacities/uvwxyz









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            Air Conditioning - High Pressure and Low pressure Schrader Valve Locations 200 1993

            As noted, you really cannot monitor what the system is doing without a high side reading. That said, if you are just going to charge it and aren't using gauges anyway--go for it I guess.







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