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67 122s, rebuilt B18, Weber progressive, Bosch Blue coil, new tune up parts.
When the RPM's go passed 1800, the Tach goes all over and the motor develops a erratic miss. Any thoughts?








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Have you tried disconnecting the tach to see what happens? That hasn't been mentioned yet so I thought I'd offer it.

Roy








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why anyone would suggest carbs when the tach is all over the place during the miss is beyond me. Keep it simple...Points floating? why do you still have points? very weak link hard to even buy quality condensers anymore. Before I went to transistorized ignition I would say 2 out of 3 condensers I bought were bad and my points would degrade rapidly....








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A tach can go crazy if the signal is erratic. It tries to jump from one rpm to another, to zero, etc, and back again.

The inertia of the needle and meter movement causes the jumping as it tries to go from one place to another.








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It happens with either dizzy, with or without points. With the tach hooked up or not.








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Intake manifold gasket leak.
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Does the carb have a diaphragm? A tear in the diaphragm can cause that symptom.

Chris in VT, '94 945








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Let's see, I just added an MSD Ignition module, the tach is connected to that. It acted the same before.And it missed without the tach connected. I have a distributor with pertronics ignition, and one with points and condenser. They both do it. Right now the points are set at .018". i tried a different coil.
Points and condenser are both new. Manifold gasket was just changed. I'm suspecting a vacuum leak, but for the life of me i can't find it. Any good tricks for finding leaks? I have 60 and 55 in the idle jets, and 155 and 150 in the mains. The oxygen meter says it's still running lean.








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do you still have vac retard on your dizzys? If your tach goes wild with the miss it is not carb related. Might be something simple like power supply to your ignition has a break in wire....at a higher vibration break starts to open...hard to catch, same if fuse is corroded, though generally ignition is not fused.








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ANSWER High speed miss 120-130

Insufficient breaker point gap would be my first guess. Or a failing condensor.

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Dropped the point gap down some, and it runs great!








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I have devised a (for me) easy means of checking if the points gap (= dwell angle) is within specs. No need to open up the dizzy or use a feeler gauge.

This is how it works:
You know of course where on your crankshaft pulley the points are supposed to _open_ (in my case - a B20B motor – 10° BTDC). There is a mark there on the pulley (the timing mark).

Do the math and determine where on the pulley the points are supposed to _close_ (when the dwell angle is within specs). In my case the dwell angle should be between 59° and 65°. On the pulley this corresponds to twice the angle, i.e. 118° to 130°. Subtract from 180° which gives you an angle of 50° to 62° from the timing mark, at which the points are supposed to close again. Multiply by PI*pulley diameter (143 mm) and this gives you a peripheral distance of 62 mm to 77 mm.

Now get a pot of white paint and paint a white line on the periphery of the pulley, starting at a peripheral distance of 62 mm and ending at 77 mm, in an anti-clockwise direction, from the timing mark (NOT the TDC mark).

Then, using a light bulb connected from +12 volt to your points to check the static timing in the usual manner (light goes OFF when the points open), you can now simultaneously check if your dwell angle is okay by seeing if, when the light goes ON again, the mark on the timing cover is within the range of the white line painted on the pulley.

simplesimon








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Jeez, I have a feeler gauge and I'm not afraid to use it. I'm happy to see that you said, "...easy (for me...)"








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How long does it take you to check if your points gap is still okay? (That is, without using one of those electronic dwell angle meters.)

It takes me all of 10 seconds to connect the light (a small hi-brite LED) and swing the crankshaft through less than half a revolution, and I have the answer.

Yes, if the points gap turns out to be wrong, I do have to open the dizzy and haul out a feeler gauge.








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so your points were "floating" at higher rpm. reducing gap let them close at high rpm . As Phil wrote "insufficient", the anwer was really really should be "improper" as your points had "excessive" gap.








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Yeah, strange since my book says .016 to .020 and i set them a .018... not sure what they are now, i set them by eye..








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Small gap equals more dwell. This allows the coil to have more time to recharge. As the revs increase it has less and less time to fully recharge which can lead to less volts to the plugs and consequent no fire/miss fire. A smaller gap can also compensate a bit if the dizzy is worn and the shaft floats around a bit. Petronix not affected by this and the dwell is also fixed so 2 more plus points for going electronic.








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saw you looking for info on petronix....that'll cure what ails you. FWIW the way to set points is with a dwell meter, as static setting is very approximate....sane as timing, best done with a timing light as static set is approximate. Once you get electronic points you will never have to use either again as once it is set you can forget....at least I have, I have the ignition from a 75 240 (dizzy coil and box) , haven't touched it in years other than caps and rotors and a touch of oil on advance mech








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What type of tachometer are you using and how is the wiring connected?
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Eric
Hi Performance Automotive Service (formerly OVO or Old Volvos Only)
Torrance, CA 90502







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