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Has anyone ever tried to order the m47 fluid from Tasca?
I just got off the phone with them and they told me they wouldn't ship it, though they do list it on their webstore.
I even volunteered to drive down there and pick it up (I'm in Boston), but they said they were mail-only. I of course then had to ask them how one would go about obtaining the fluid then. :^)
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I have been using generic75W80 synthtic gear oil in my M47 cars for over 20 yrs no failures.I experience temperatures down to -40C.Oh yeah i overfill.
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Rene
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Since they list it why not just order online?
I recall one or two stories told on this forum about difficulty in dealing with Tasca's parts department employees on the phone. Seems as if they don't know all they should or maybe they just don't care.
Not five minutes ago I went so far as to place a quart of the transmission fluid (1161645) in the cart and proceed to check out. No alarm was raised. No warning about not being able to ship. Just the $10.00 shipping charge that was added to the total.
I did not complete the purchase but I have no reason to believe it wouldn't ship if I had gone through with the transaction.
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'80 DL 2 door, '89 DL Wagon
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I got that far too, and was about to push the button for a $110 order (other parts needed), but decided to pose the question to BB first to see.
Ultimately, the customer service experience I received led me to go to IPD instead even though the same order was $140.
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hello
i have ordered many times over the years from tasca over the phone and never had a problem i can remember.
always get volvo oe parts.
just recently i even got a couple extras i didnt really order.
good luck
Oh yes i use mtl redline and i can shift with one finger on the stick.
works for me.
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If you're referring to ATF Type F, I can get it locally at most auto parts stores.
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Post Back. That's whats makes this forum work.
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I am referring to this magical juice:
http://www.brickboard.com/RWD/volvo/1537674/220/240/260/280/m47_went_crunch_5spd.html
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I'm not sure why it's so hard to find the perfect fluid for these transmissions. I've been running Redline MTL in my overfilled M47s for a while, but have never been totally happy with the results. I saw the thread you referenced, took those part numbers to my local dealer, and the parts guy looked them up and said "oh no, that's only for the newer cars, like a V50." I didn't know what to say, so I didn't press him on the point--just walked away with my hands in my pockets shaking my head.
So.....is there ANYONE....ANYWHERE....who can definitively answer the question "what should I put in my M47 so that it lasts for 500k+ miles?"
Best,
Afton
'68 220; '88 & '92 245s; '92 945t; '98XC
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Well, the guy from Tasca confirmed that it was in fact the correct m47 oil.
He just wouldn't ship it to me. Or let me pick it up...
I called Boston Volvo and had a similar experience. The guy had no idea what I was talking about so he asked his techs and they said to put Dexron!? in it. I told him I'd probably shop somewhere else, and he hung up on me.
I put an order for Redline MTL to IPD. At least they make a point to stock the correct parts (I also order Volvo diesel motor mounts).
I had a $110 order ready to process with Tasca, decided to take my business to IPD instead.
-Jesse
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So.....is there ANYONE....ANYWHERE....who can definitively answer the question "what should I put in my M47 so that it lasts for 500k+ miles?"
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I just have to comment on that question as being humorous, as it could have two meanings.
I can say definitively there is no oil that lasts 500k. Even though, I know of some people going more than half that without changing their rear differential 90 weight oils but that's because its a totally different gearing system and oil type that is used.
500k is "easy" enough to put on a transmission if you use the recommended oil, change it on the schedule and drive the car like you want to keep it that long.
Towing boats, low boy camping trailers and volunteering to moving the space shuttle again are not exactly in this scenario! (:)
Using factory approved S.A.E. certified required oil, is as good as it gets.
You can go down that road of using some other "special snake oil" made with different or even minor better specifications if you think you know better than the designers and makers of the transmission.
I myself, do not believe that I am that good, no matter my imagination. (:)
It most likely will cost more money for the oil and over the life of the transmission, changing that oil out as it still will be required!
It will cost more than it would be to purchase the part or parts that will fail and put them on the shelf. Plus, if you sell or total out the car, all that you have done over the years will be in vain. That is usually the case, when you live with all the odds!
These thoughts are figured into the cars life, the cost of production and its maintenance plan coverage presently touted by marketing these days for the newer cars.
That's my opinion and it stopped me from shaking my head some time back. Now, I think I need to get one of those Bluetooth ear pieces to wear. So, when I am talking to myself, the others around me will believe, that I am not as old as I act but on a phone call! (:)
Phil
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Soooo, What oil are you using in your M47, Machine Man?
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Let's see, I bought the car seven years ago and put fifty thousand on it since.
They told me the oil was change just prior to me and somewhere in between then and now I changed it. It is probably due another one by now.
I think at the time I did it, I used Valvoline ATF-FA. I use the same stuff in all four of my transmissions of which three are with the Laycock over drive units. Two are over 300k, one with 1.5k and the M47 stands at 242k. * Never can keep which M45 or M46 is the OD unit.
At about 280k on my 86 I was having a problem with the OD not shifting after getting warmed up. I concluded that the o-rings may be letting some fluid pressure by at the higher temperature so I decided to add a modifier to "thicken" the mix. As I believe, this is what most of the additives do or are, in a nut shell.
I went with a product called Lucas Transmission Fix, an additive with the recommend twenty percent amount of additive. It works fine and the mileage now stands at about 320k. One quart in two trannies was workable.
Probably when I changed the oil in the M47, I knew I had the left over amount of Lucas, so I am fairly sure it has the twenty percent in it too!
I also follow posted wisdom that it should be kept full to the top of the filler hole. What I do not do, if it has not leaked any, is open it to check it so it can leak. I let them go the distance.
I eyeball the Valvoline synthetic ATF for the M47 and pricing. Same with the blended engine oils and the aspects of marketing. I read that blended synthetics are anywhere from 2 to 30 percent and no one puts it on their bottles!
Valvoline sells a recycled blend engine oil now and they say its 50 percent.
Should it not be cheaper for them than refined oil to put in there but they tell you its fifty percent....Go figure and think on that one!
I too, have read about this Volvo recommended oil and the controversy if it was for this transmission or just newer line of cars. As we all know the front wheel drives are different animals with their own peculiar problems.
The manufacturers build a decent powered engine/trans combo for the cars so kids can drift them, then push the same setup into vans that have a constant higher wind/wieght load factor and think they will not have problems either way. Whoops there goes my tranny!
In behind the scenes or off the sales floor, the " Recommended" oil changes for vans were every 10k or I think it's called a trade in at 70 to 130k.
I am aware of the changes made in oils but at three to four times the price I think it is marketing again.
A small back ground story...
I still have a old Harley Sportster I bought new in 71. Over the years they changed their ideas on oil but their designs changed too, after they checked with the Smithsonian and with the help of Porsche.
Over the years they changed from using engine oil to ATF in transmissions and in the last ten years went to a clear oil bottled just for them. It to was four times the price of ATF too.
I tried two quarts and could no difference other than my tired clutch released a little easier and now slips some which I cannot blame on the oil. I will someday change the clutch plates and save the oil, only because it cost so much that it makes me "think" it's better!
Nowadays, I Harley ride it any more.... :)
I will stick to all my statements about changing oil in all cases with gear boxes. Transmissions are made with far more precision components than even in a combustion engine, which we know get dirty by their nature!
I admit, I do keep my eyes and ears on the "rails" for new products but also keep my feet ready, so I do not get run over by a train full of marketeers!
Phil
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Sorry, mine was a tongue-in-cheek comment about your long response that was 95% informative and 100% useful but did not answer the OP's question. It was by no means thread degradation but I left as confused as I entered about how to order the M47-specific tranny fluid. Learned a lot, though and that makes this a good day.
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Sorry, I need to revise my last statement about putting a Lucas product in my M47 as I did not!
I was due to change my engine oil and you got me thinking about the transmission so I figured I would change both. Guess what, I still have a half of the twenty four ounces bottle that it comes in. What a surprise that was for me. I guess I was only thinking about doing it.
Now that I have drained it, I might as well. My thoughts are, it's going to be a while before the 86 will need to be serviced. It states its good for light duty manual transmissions but no ratio is mentioned. Looks like 12oz to me, cannot hurt anything, since it works in the 86 overdrive nicely.
The whole thing about twenty percent I mentioned was to do with stabilizer stuff that you put into engine oil. My neighbor used it when he was a live, in his lawn mowers to keep them from smoking. When I helped clear out his garage for his wife I took it home as she is now paying for lawn care.
I have used some the oil stabilizer. It might reduce oil consumption some but that stuff is about the price of two quarts of oil for its one quart! I do not see an advantage unless your car smokes more than men do in a bar!
Anyway hope you read this.
Phil
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No need to be sorry about anything. The tongue-in-check thing is ok with me. We do not want to be accused of doing any French thing on the board but smiling. (:)
I never intended to answer the question about Tasca because I never have dealt with them.
I had experience with the clear fluid that may date back to the beginning of the emergence of synthetics of which I share but as with most writings, have gaps between the lines as to why you say, what you say.
I have done some research on the oil institute web sites and viewed other articles from vendors. Somewhere in the mix there are fine lines of specfications that technically the synthetics have an advantage. Figuring out if it is worth the money, time and worry for the average car driving conditions will be left up to evolution.
The blending of these is evidence of the problems based in their economics to ween the automotive world towards them.
I appreciate your dialog and we all use each others opinions, as we wish.
Thanks,
Phil
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