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Need your suggestions 200 1984

1984 240, LH 2.0. Car failed smog with extremely high CO.

Running symptoms: Idles poorly when the engine is cold and bogs down when I give it gas: the tach will drop to a couple hundred RPM but the engine does not die. Let off of gas and the idle fluctuates between 500-700 rpm. Wet, black deposits and a strong odor of gasoline at the tailpipe. After idling for around five minutes, the car responds normally to throttle and is finally drivable. Idle also smooths out and the exhaust cleans up. Gas mileage is pretty dismal, though, at around 12-13 mpg.

I have replaced: Plugs, wires, cap, rotor, air filter, o2 sensor. Today, I installed a used (tested in another car) air mass meter with a part number ending in -002. The car was warm when I installed the 'new' AMM so I do not know (yet) whether this will solve my cold running problems. Drove for a few miles after installing the AMM and I can't say that I notice much difference.

I also found a tear in the vacuum hose coming off the FPR right where it attaches to the 'nipple.' I removed the hose, cut about 1/4", and put it back on the FPR. I did not see fuel in the hose when I removed it.

If the car is still acting up in the morning, where should I look next? I do not think it is the ECT. It could be the FPR but as stated above there was no fuel in the hose when I pulled it. The failure mode for this ECU (510) is said to be "failure to adjust mixture"....think that could be my problem?








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    Fixed!! 200 1984

    Thank you for all of your suggestions.

    It looks like the air mass meter was the solution. Started the car this morning in 40 degree weather. Not only did it start on the first turn of the key, but it immediately settled into a stable 800 rpm idle. Also, the gas stench at the tailpipe is no more, and I was able to pull away right after starting the engine. Before replacing the AMM, opening the throttle would cause the engine to bog down to about 200-300 rpm and the car was not drivable until it had idled for a good 5 minutes.

    The real 'proof in the pudding' is whether it passes the smog check, but so far, so good. The car has not run this well in several months. The engine even sounds better!








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    Need your suggestions 200 1984

    Check the fuse box for clean tight fuses, and the engine grounds.

    Also check to make sure the in-tank pump is working, as well as proper fuel pressure at the fuel rail in the engine

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    xx








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    Need your suggestions 200 1984

    Here is the OP's original post on this:

    http://www.brickboard.com/RWD/volvo/1552065/220/240/260/280/help_smog_check.html:

    So I want to know why you do not think it is the ECT?








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      Need your suggestions 200 1984

      I was trying to get him not to blame the ECU as there are too many other things that go bad first.

      The car was running very rich and I am the last to blame leaky injectors as most people think.
      By his post he had change the AMM but was doubtful until morning. He made the expensive leap already.

      The way he tested the FPR was a complete test IMO.
      The 84's are known for a bad wiring harness. So checking for sensor reading was another fall back, as his was asking for suggestions.

      I tried to pull up that post you put in there but the browser on this I-PAD told me to many redirects. What ever that means? My brain probably has had to many of those too! (:)
      I do not remember the back ground of the other post.

      If you nailed the AMM for him, good for you, if you did not, then we were both out in the rain but for me that's where I live. (:)
      Phil








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        Need your suggestions 200 1984

        Not sure what you were talking about but I did not, nor the original thread, point to the ECU. I was just asking why he was confident it was not the ECT.

        Almost everyone pointed to the AMM first and ECT second (but free to test accurately) in the original thread.








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          Xsplaining, that's hard! 200 1984

          I am not sure that he was confident about anything he changed. Even when he replaced the AMM he still worried until the next morning. He has taken a beaten in stress of the inspection looming I think.

          I tried to locate the "original" post. If I found it, just you and Art were in it and you both spoke of the AMM as a possibility and Art said the ECU has a rich fuel map. I did not see any of my posts so I am lost to explain anything I may have said.

          On this post he wanted to pick on the ECU or anything that would help him pass smog.

          I troubleshoot from the cheapest item to replace or the most failure prone item.
          The AMM is like changing a tuner inside the T.V. to make sure the T.V. station is off the air when it might be a blow down antenna or broken lead-in.

          In that last post I made reference to what RICH could mean in a couple different ways and to be humorous, as this is just fun for me.
          I agree I have a different way of saying things and might lose you if you are only following for pure content relevance.

          It is my method communication and it is probably not 100 percent audience proof that I have by trait I suppose. It is a wide spectrum method to cover those in a classroom or working in the field. There are as many lagers as there are gifted students. To keep their attention you cannot talk monotone and you have to break up the curriculums presentation with real life parables. It keeps you and others more interested.

          Trust me; I have had a share of tough minimally trained students. Then again I worked with coworkers that covered several different trades and their perspectives. We all shared information to run the plant.

          We all should learn things while at the same time learning to respect our elder tradesmen over the years. I required the same from my students the few years I taught. Most of the time those suckers wanted to find the tit and using some peer pressure works wonders from time to time.

          Hey, in reality there is no other way to get motivation than to create some challenge.

          In case you have not noticed, I stress people to jump in with a voltmeter, as it has “leads” that go somewhere!
          See a point with twist, from the twisted?

          My expertise is not automotive. I do not pretend to express that I ever was an automotive wizard. The areas I have covered in my life are very closely related and my logic works for me on “my” Volvos. I have not had near the problems with my cars as other I read about. I do not live or drives in places and in ways other do either.
          As Clint Eastwood said as Dirty Harry "one has to know ones limitations" I use my cars according to their design. No 500 pound loads on top of the roof of the wagon but I have put a large gun safe inside mine once. I hauled it over two states and it was very close to the same weight!

          I work on other vehicles mostly for relatives and some friends for free. That, I keep close to the chest, as it can get out of your hands quickly. The Brick Board is on my terms all the time.

          I started answering the owner of this thread to express logic of how the ECU is tied to the outside world.
          I will hope that others might understand this.

          Imagine a comparison scene of a power plant operator in a small room controlling something with only gauges and electric valves while his reactor is a half mile away. Might still vague for some I know but that is why illustrations, diagrams and pictures of parts work wonders.

          You can tell that works for Art, as he is the champion in that department. He has enthusiasm and better computer tools in his garage!

          We all might be some great grease monkeys in a community college garage.

          Phil








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            Befriending the anonymous 200 1984

            "I agree I have a different way of saying things and might lose you if you are only following for pure content relevance."

            Good point Phil. I enjoy the company of those who don't take themselves too seriously. I knew I could not count "claiming to be Dexter" in that audience, once my "bay pollution" post flew right over his head. Who knows, maybe he really is Dexter!

            Thank you, Phil, for hanging in there, providing something more than the usual "help" folks feel comes entitled with their iPhones these days. I enjoy reading you.

            --
            Art Benstein near Baltimore

            "Often people who have lived with uncomfortable heating systems do not realize what they have been missing." -John Siegenthaler








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            Xsplaining, that's hard! 200 1984

            I am still confused by why the response was to my post and not the OP, but that's OK. You have had tons of great input and love to hear from you so keep it up.

            FYI, I was never a "gifted" student but I was challenging for my teachers. I am the student who could easily clear straight A's if I liked the subject in which case I just needed the teacher/professor to point me in the right direction then get out of my way. I would barely scrape out a passing grades in those things I did not care about in which case they had to badger me endlessly.








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    Need your suggestions 200 1984

    The computer cannot control FPR and it only knows if it is hot or cold if the ECT is telling it the right information.
    Blame the ECU last as most of the time it reacts correctly to what it is being told.

    Can you hold a vacuum on the FPR irregardless of whether you detect gas in the vacuum line?

    You can check the ECT resistances with a ohmmeter from the ECU connector back to the engine at different times before and after running. It's all in a Bentley manual and under searches on the board.

    No reading from the ECT and that car will think it is in Alaska!
    Trust me, I heard you need to be "rich" to live up there and eat with that cold air.

    Phil








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    Need your suggestions 200 1984

    Check for vacuum leaks after the AMM and also check for exhaust leaks before the oxygen sensor.
    --
    Teach a man to fish and he will never go hungry. Teach a man to rob a bank, he will never go fishing again.







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