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So while I was attempting to replace the fuel filter today I broke the line that runs between it and the main pump. According to the IPD catalog, that is a 24.64 dollar mistake (thankfully they're 10% off this week!). Is there any way to repair this without springing for a new line? For half that price I could patch it with a kit from O'Reilly that may or may not hold. Or perhaps there is a hydraulic shop in my town that could cut the plastic off and reset a new line in there, heat shrinking it into place as I presume they do.
If I did patch with something from the auto shop, which compound would I go for -- the 'fuel tank' repair kit or the 'plastic tank' patch kit?
Just wondering if anyone's done this before.
Here's the part in case anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about.
http://www.ipdusa.com/products/5026/112374-fuel-line-coupler
As always, thanks a whole lot
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Interesting points here. I've got a flexible piece of high pressure hose on there that I got from a (the only) retail hydraulic-type parts shop in town, one that specializes in oil systems and whatnot ('Oil Filter Service Company' they're called). It fit over the barbs on the banjo nuts but would not come off without being cut (due to barbs), so I went ahead with it and placed two fuel injection hose clamps on there. This added flexibility of this hose made it MUCH EASIER to install the fuel filter as well.
So far it does not leak, and I will keep my eyes on it in the near future. If it starts weeping, I will snag one from a parts car at the PickNPull and replace it.
Thanks for the info, everyone.
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When changing the filter on an '89, I came to the conclusion that this was a ridiculous setup.
I am seriously considering moving the filter to the engine compartment as Nissan and probably other companies do, if the pump or filter give further problems.
Btw, when working on a Nissan Maxima, I noted the in-tank pump provided full pressure and the fuel line at the filter was flexible "rubber". So might even replace Volvo's intank with a Nissan's and remove/bypass the under car one.
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1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb but electronic ignition and M46 trans in Brampton, Ont.
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Yeah, Trev. Stupid. Why do we drive these things...
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
Whenever someone says "I'm not book smart, but I'm street smart", all I hear is "I'm not real smart, but I'm imaginary smart".
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Well I was at the PnP yesterday ($50 all you can carry), couldn't find any 240s. Pulled an in-tank from a Maxima to have on hand if my sister's '89 240's main pump needs replacing.
Saw an 850, but only the large Bosch filter was under the car. Went into the trunk and unscrewed the plastic cap. Aha! Volvo did move to a single in-tank fuel pump. Took the pump.
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1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb but electronic ignition and M46 trans in Brampton, Ont.
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I believe this is also one or two years of the 9-series that used a single pump Bosch system.
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In my line of work, every 1.0 release is eventually called "stupid" by someone blessed with 20/20 hindsight.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
Q. What occurs more often in December than any other month?
A. Conception.
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can't be done. I have a spare. private message or email me, and I'll mail it to you for free.
I pulled one, then discovered my pump was leaking, not my line.
Cheers
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Go to a P&P and you can find a good one for a few bucks.
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Just my two cents: It is fuel. Do it right. I'm surprised you can still get that thing for less than a tank of gas. And know that you're in good company. The reason that part is stocked (of all those in the fuel distribution) is so many folks have ruined it doing a "just because" filter change.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
"I want to establish in your mind very clearly that you must not think I deny all that I do not admit. On the contrary, I think there are many things which may be true, and which I shall receive as such hereafter, though I do not as yet receive them; but that is not because there is any proof to the contrary, but that the proof in the affirmative is not yet sufficient for me"
- Michael Faraday
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I think Art is right (again!) on this one. We're taking fuel drooling around under your car here, sportsfans.The less fuel you have drooling, the better, IMHO. Also, your time is always worth something as far as running around trying to find substitutes to save a couple of dollars. Install a new one carefully, and use whatever wrenches necessary to back up that fitting when it comes time to change anything it is attached to.
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I have never had to do this but I bet a Hydraulic hose shop can fit you with a high pressure hose with Banjo fittings that will probably cost more but be more flexible for Filter replacement.
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'75 Jeep CJ5 345Hp ChevyPwrd, two motorcycles, '85 Pickup: The '89 Volvo is the newest vehicle I own. it wasn't Volvos safety , it was Longevity that sold me http://home.lyse.net/brox/TonyPage4.html http://cleanflametrap.com/tony/
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posted by
someone claiming to be CB
on
Fri Sep 21 12:27 CST 2012 [ RELATED]
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That plastic heat shrink hose is available in lengths. A well stocked Independent shop that works on olders Volvos should have it. You may be able to get it from the dealer.
Then remove the brass fittings from the pump/filter....measure a new piece...cut off the old plastic and heat shrink it.
Don't forget to get new copper washers for the connectors when you put the thing back together. There's a lot of pressure coming out of that pump
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"Then remove the brass fittings from the pump/filter....measure a new piece...cut off the old plastic and heat shrink it."
An old(?) way of heat shrinking is to use a flame. Presumably not recommended when gasoline is present. Hair dryers may work but their elements can get red hot. So what's the method?
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1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb but electronic ignition and M46 trans in Brampton, Ont.
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These lines are not repaired on the car. They are taken into a shop, if repaired at all, and the standard approach is to replace as an assembly.
The book shows a tool which is warmed and surrounds the hose. It is not heat shrink. It is heat soften. The hose, polyamide, does not shrink with heat, but it does become temporarily more elastic. That's what allows you to get it past the barbs.
vvpete says he does it with boiling water. Sounds like a good approach to me. You could do it that way, but my point in suggesting a replacement approach is based on my guess at the experience of the DIY effort. That in itself should not be a limitation, but sound advice, given we really don't know each others' abilities and skill level, and have some concern for dangerous high pressure fuel repairs.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
A famous Viking explorer returned home from a voyage and found his name missing from the town register. His wife insisted on complaining to the local civic official who apologized profusely saying, "I must have taken Leif off my census."
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posted by
someone claiming to be CB
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Sat Sep 29 16:31 CST 2012 [ RELATED]
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FWIW
in the way back. working on a 75 and an 80...I bought the line from a Volvo dealer...sold in foot lengths minimum purchase.....Michaelson Motors in Balt. heated it with a hair dryer. Prob still have a bit somewhere...maybe in the 75s ashtray.
maybe too many DYIers blew themselves up...so they stopped selling it.
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You can buy nylon tubing on the internet.
Fuel Follies
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
Many years ago in England, pub frequenters had a whistle baked into the rim or handle of their ceramic cups. When they needed a fill, they used the whistle to get some service. "Wet your whistle" is the phrase inspired by this practice.
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posted by
someone claiming to be CB
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Sun Sep 30 19:55 CST 2012 [ RELATED]
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Art
my collection of your pictoral directions of How to Do Stuff now rests on it's own ...one of them newfangled UBS thumb drives.
Yes the 80 needs a Heater Core...so far been trading off Summer and Winter with my 87...to avoid it.
I just got a new neighbor with a Square Headlighed 245 Red (what year is that?) ....waved a few times in my Green 240....kid waved back...no response from the adult.
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Just keep in mind that last one I posted is a "How Not to Do Stuff" pictorial. And none are instructional -- merely journalism; "How I Did It."
What I know about style changes is not much. I think your 80 might have the quad round. I think that was the last year for them. Also think you could have had rectangulars if you had a GL or a 260. For a few years, beginning (I think) in 78, headlight styles identified price point differentiators -- the more modern selling the upgrade. After 81 I think the rectangular sealed beams were standard in everything to 85. Then in 86 came the plastic.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
"The only time I look forward to a red light is when I’m trying to finish a text."
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posted by
someone claiming to be CB
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Sat Sep 29 16:31 CST 2012 [ RELATED]
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FWIW
in the way back. working on a 75 and an 80...I bought the line from a Volvo dealer...sold in foot lengths minimum purchase.....Michaelson Motors in Balt. heated it with a hair dryer. Prob still have a bit somewhere...maybe in the 75s ashtray.
maybe too many DYIers blew themselves up...so they stopped selling it.
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The premier hydraulic shop in all of Portland claims not to carry this type of hosing, despite what the parts guy said at a Volvo shop who claimed they used to sell him this stock. I'm going to bike across town just to see what they got, because maybe there is something more flexible available for when I have to put this thing back on. I can't believe how easy it is to break. If the shop doesn't have anything then I guess it's an even further bike ride to the IPD warehouse.
Apparently this part runs over 80 bucks from the official Volvo supplier(!!!). Why do we drive these things again?
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posted by
someone claiming to be CB
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Fri Sep 21 18:33 CST 2012 [ RELATED]
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heard of Google
http://www.upolymer.com/pro.asp?id=53&classname=A3%20Brake/Fuel%20line%20protection%20heat%20shrink%20tubing
PS I drive them because I can fix them myself.
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posted by
someone claiming to be CB
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Fri Sep 21 18:55 CST 2012 [ RELATED]
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ARRRGGG
ignore the zabove post PaaLEASE
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neither. Use a piece of fuel hose for about 20 cents by removing the damaged hose, cutting it so the new hose fits over the old and maybe use some small clamps to hold it too. This is temporary though. I fixed mine when it sprung a leak and it held until I got one off a junk yard car for very little money. Since then I've always been really careful when messing with the filter to make sure I don't twist or bend that little hose.
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