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I just read a post mentioning tailgaters. Grrrr. It’s one thing I really hate on the road and get tempted to play their game, like slowing down or hitting the brakes, all dumb moves, I know.
One thing I do that does help sometimes is turn on the rear bright red fog lights (on my 245 wagon) without slowing down or hitting the brakes. That works some, but I do know the best, and ’mature’ thing to do is just get out of their way; and don’t get me started about ‘rubberneckers’!!!
Not a ‘Volvo post‘-sorry. Just ‘venting’.
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Here's what I do to those pesky tailgaters. Oh look, it's time to clean my windshield......for at least 15 seconds or longer as needed. Works like a charm with that spray going over the top of my roof........
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'86 sedan with 477,000 miles on the original engine and automatic transmission
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List of pet peeves:
1) Tailgating: Nuisance. Dangerous. Idiotic. I plan to get a bumper sticker that says "Tailgaters receive free BRAKE CHECK"... ahem...
2)Not signaling when changing lanes: If you can turn a wheel, you can flip the blinker stalk. You being in a turn lane tells me you're going to turn, but the point is to TELL people you're changing lanes. We don't want to keep tabs on you, we just don't want to get hit.
3)People passing on double yellows/Blind curves/Blind hills/Suicide Lanes: I can't count the number of times I've been nearly killed by someone passing in a dip, or on a corner. One time, I had a huge, lifted(see #4) pickup pass on double yellows between a cliff and the ocean on California's Hwy 1 and nearly wound up in a fight. Tried to call the cops, but Hwy 1 is on the coast and that meant no cell phone service for 3 hours of driving. Another time, some moron passed me in a school zone (it was 3 blocks long) in a suicide lane going 45 when I slowed down. Both of these people got the finger and the horn, and both stopped to try to start a fight. I haven't done this lately... Both of these were before I turned 22.
4) Lifted trucks: People who drive trucks that are lifted so high that their bumper is at my head level when I'm in my 740. Not only is this dangerous, it's wasteful and doesn't give any ground clearance beyond the somewhat bigger tires. I have similar feelings about the trucks that like to billow big black clouds of smoke either from their tires or exhaust.
5) Texting/driving: Looking at your lap to write a text message. Need I say more? If you're going to do it, at least put your phone up so you aren't staring at your lap while driving.
6) People pulling up reeeeally close behind me at stops on hills. I roll sometimes.
7) People who park in multiple spaces. I'm always tempted to remove a valve core from a tire or surround their car with shopping carts.
8) Speeding. It really doesn't save more than a few minutes time. It would take you 4 hours of driving 80 instead of 60 to save an hour of your life. Speeding in a town will only get you to each stop light faster, where you will sit and wait for the other cars (and sometimes bicyclists) to catch up to you. Synch'ing with stop lights is good, but speeding otherwise is stupid.
In my 90 740T, I feel like busting heads, but in my slow beater 240, I could care less. It's kind of the zen thing, and it's a much safer way to drive.
Ho hum, I just wish people would realize that the whole point is that when they do stupid things, they are essentially attacking the other drivers on the road - stupid driving puts peoples' lives in danger. Period.
Happy and safe bricking
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I had no idea this post would bring so many responses. i guess it hits a sore spot in a lot of people, inc me. Maybe we should do a post subject
that says " What irks you about other Volvo drivers?:oÞ~~
I donno. Oh well.
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My special peeve are those folks(and there are alot of them)who think its necessary to swing out in the opposite direction of their turn before the turn.
They go almost into the next lane(sometimes into the lane), scaring hell out of the driver in that lane.
It is, in most cases, totally unnecessary. Just stay close to the side of the road and pivot. Swinging out is a wasted motion, and sometimes a dangerous one.
Also, speeding drivers trying to pass in the slow lane.
Honestly!
Larue
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Sure, I can ad to this list...
Tailgating. #1 of course.
My belief is this behavior has increased with the popularity of NASCAR. Folks watch those cars run right up next to each other then get on the highway and think. "Hey, I can do that".
That and how people drive like they are in some video game and nothing can happen to them, swerving in and out of traffic...
Slow cars in the left "fast" lane. To me that indicates the driver is basically unaware of what's going on around them and concentrating only on what's in front. How can they not see all the cars coming up behind then having to pass on the right? Yes, more often than not it indicates a stupid driver so beware.
And don't give me the "speed limit in the left lane" argument. Anybody who drives at all on highways in the US knows that 10mph over the speed limit is usually accepted by the cops, and knows slower traffic should keep right.
Here in NYC we have some especially irritating behavior. First off, traffic laws aren't really treated as laws, they are more like suggestions so anything can happen at any moment... Run a red light. Drive on the sidewalk. Stop sign? What stop sign? Turn signals? What are those?
My #1 pet peeve here in NYC is people who jump the green light and cross in front of traffic to make a left hand turn through an intersection. Otherwise they have to wait for traffic to clear. New Yorkers waiting? That'll be the day!
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"Anybody who drives at all on highways in the US knows that 10mph over the speed limit is usually accepted by the cops"<<<<<
< Accepted by cops who have no sense of duty cause its too much trouble and it would really overload our courts, BUT its against the law. Oh also their dougnut might get stale . If you dont like the laws, change them. IF you get a ticket for 5mph over, go to court and give that argument to a judge. Of course slower traffic should keep to the right, slower than the posted speed limit that is.
There’s always someone who tries to 'beat the system' or try to justify their actions and thoughts about: "its OK for instance to drive 10mph over the limit" by trying to give excuses so they can rationalize breaking the law. ONLY reason "everyone" doesn't get a ticket for breaking speed and other traffic laws, not enough cops, and never will be.
Do I speed? Better believe it. Do i break traffic laws?. Everyday, and IF i get caught i'll pay the penalty, BUT I wont try to rationalize what I did was "OK". Last time, maybe 7 to 8 years ago, I got caught speeding, 80 in a 65, by radar, I apologized to the cop,. Made no excuses. I did NOT admit I was speeding to him tho.
I got the court notice in the mail, called up the court and got a 10 month extension. WOW! I still don’t know why they gave that long an extension to me! In a few weeks I got another letter dismissing the case. Talk about surprised! After all it was 80 in a 65! L*U* C* K* Y !!
I was hoping of course the officer would not show up and Id get a dismal for that reason, but then I was just going to ask the judge if he or she would consider lowering the fine.
When I break speed laws I know its wrong. I take a chance. My choice. Bad me. BUT no excuses. I will say tho Ive slowed down a lot in my old age. I give speeders room. I move over for tailgaters. I do flip them a mental bird tho.
IF I want to do the speed limit in the fast lane and someone wants to do their 80 mph, I move over and hope a gendarme will get them. Oh well.
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"IF I want to do the speed limit in the fast lane and someone wants to do their 80 mph, I move over..."
See, you're obviously an intelligent driver.
As for 10mph over the speed limit...I'm not trying to justify or rationalize it. Just an observation from over 30 years of driving all over the country. If I can go 10mph faster I probably will. If I get caught and get a ticket then I realize it's my own fault.
And here's another peeve. People who use their brakes too much on the highway. I realize people like to slow down on curves as most drivers get freaked out when they feel a little bit of sideways G forces... But the folks who brake all the time instead of anticipating, taking their foot of the gas and letting the car coast down in speed, they spook me all the time. Seeing the brake lights makes me think there is some real reason to slow down, not just a standard curve in the highway.
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Not so many irks but I love the way other Volvo drivers treat each other on the road.
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Something tells me that I am the source of many irks when I drive my Volkswagen bus on the highway. Sorry!
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1966 122s, 1968 142s, 1969 144s, 1979 245dl, 1989 244gl
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My rule of thumb
Drive slower than me your a idiot
Drive faster than me your a butthole
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In the good ol' USA we don't get formal driver training. So, we learn what our fathers do. High school driver's ED is a joke, private lessons from someone trying to earn an extra buck is also a joke. The sad fact is we are not taught how to drive. Period.
Drive the speed limit in the left lane? Don't use turn signals? Blabbing on the phone? Set the cruise control and put your right foot under your left? Drive nice and fast in crowded traffic? These are all lack of driver training.
Heck, I like to go fast. Part of my driver training was on the German Autobahn. But I am at or below the speed limit when going through residential areas. I actually stop at stop signs, even if it is snowing!
What I don't like are clueless drivers.
Klaus
PS. For a disturbing video, watch what happens to a Suburban when it gets broadsided by a semi. This is deeply disturbing... I suppose he had cruise control set, with ice on the roadway, and forgot to look out the windshield.
http://rmirror.net/r/videos/comments/q5hu9/car_accident_nsfl/
Caution! Do not let your family members see this!!
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My name is Klaus and I am a V ♂ lv ♂ holic
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Volvo Brothers and sisters,
I honestly can say that in the interest of health (lowers stress) and safety (reduces stray bullets) I have transcended "irk" and have achieved a Buddha- like driving existence. Nothing can bother me or get to me. I understand and expect there will be stupidity on the roads and I concentrate on keeping well clear of it- whatever that takes. Yes stupidly just blissfully rolls off of me. It's a whole new level of a driving experience.
Robb
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Although this is indeed a lovely sentiment, I can't fully agree...
We can not assume that people are stupid. They are not.
People make mistakes. In this context, maybe they are running a little late. Maybe there's an urgent issue.
Who knows besides them?
Just forgive them for whatever unknown reason it may be that they screwed up.
I just hope others will treat me the same when I make a mistake.
People are great. People are smart. Smart, great people make mistakes....
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-Matt I ♥ my ♂
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Right on Robb!
It's not worth getting all stressed and upset over things that you cannot change.Road rage/anger is not healthy.
A,"Buddha- like driving existence."....Well said!..Indeed!(perhaps easier said than done?)
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"..I understand and expect there will be stupidity on the roads .."
Yes!..Right on again!...to put it another way;'If you expect the worst,you will rarely be disappointed beause if the worst happens, you can say"I knew it", and, if the worst doesn't happen, you be glad it didn't!...
Yup..it's the Zen of driving brother Robb.Thank you for the excellent post.
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As a further therapeutic diversion,I make kind of a sick hobby of classifying certain driver types, and their vehicles....monster trucks,,,,bling-bling SUVs with absurd gaudy 22" rims....old idiot driving extravagent Mercedes worth enough dollars to buy a fleet of 1985 Volvos like mine...etc.
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Here in Houston, Texas it is the one ton dual rear wheel pickup that has never carried anything heavier than a 120 quart icechest. Almost without exception, they feel as if the left lane is soley theirs. It's wise not to provoke them by making eye contact as you pass them, lest you suffer a flesh wound.
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Delivering pizza some years back in the '65 1800, my brake light switch failed. Ran into the hardware store and bought a spool of wire, a momentary push button switch, and some electrical tape. Wired it up in the parking lot, taped the switch to my gearshift lever. Figured, if I'm braking, I'm downshifting... and would just hit the button.
Fixed the proper switch the following day, but I kept my little gearshift switch. I could hit the brake lights for tailgaters without slowing down at all...
I'm older now, and I don't get pissed off much. What does, really irk me though...
Huge ass diesel trucks. They should not be allowed to have side exit exhaust. Get stuck next to one at a train or even a light, get a headache in no time flat.
And worse, people tend to leave their diesels running for short errands. Mid summer, windows down, run into the post office... come out to find that some dude (or chick) has parked next to me in their big ass diesel truck, left it idling with that damn exhaust pipe pointed right at my open window.
Grrr....
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-Matt I ♥ my ♂
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I hate the aggressive folks that change lanes 12 times in two miles just to end up where they started...usually behind me again. Without using their dirsctional , of course.
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'75 Jeep CJ5 345Hp ChevyPwrd, two motorcycles, '85 Pickup: The '89 Volvo is the newest vehicle I own. it wasn't Volvos safety , it was Longevity that sold me http://home.lyse.net/brox/TonyPage4.html http://cleanflametrap.com/tony/
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1. Big vehicles with no mud flaps. I'd think that a guy that blows $30-$40k on a pickup could afford mudflaps ... I've lost 3 windshields in the last 10 years to thrown stones. What if I was on a bike!
2.Wide slow turns. Please... you don't have to be Andy Granatelli or Mario ... but if turning right with a car following don't slow to a crawl and stay in the middle of the road .... turn already!
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Driving and talking on a cell phone.
Driving and reading a newspaper.
Driving and trying to eat with a fork.
Please park,eat your crap,catch up on the news and chit chat,then get back to the business of driving!
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Don't remember this happening in my youth - the car that stops several car lengths behind at a stop light. Meanwhile, several cars back, I can't pull into the open left or right turn lane. The prime offenders seem to be women driving Tahoes or Expeditions and holding a phone to their ear while staring out into space.
Another is the hugemobile driver who can never seem to get the truck centered between the white lines in a parking lot.
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We on Long Island are getting that trend here. It is fear of setting off the Traffic Light Cameras.These intersections have sensors about 10' before the White lines. When you run over these sensors a bright strobe goes off as it takes your picture, on the other side of the intersection are more sensors to take your picture again IF you went through intersection. These cameras have drivers so scared that they prematurely Brake and stop way behind the intersection for fear of getting a ticket.
Funny thing is our politicians said these are NOT for revenue purposes it's all about safety yet there was an article stating that the Township was disappointed that their Picture Tickets were down by 30% so they didn't make the revebnue they anticipated, Hmmmm
Side impact collisions have been reduced by a small fraction at these intersection with cameras But accidents have increased at these intersections due to stopping prematurely and getting rear ended..
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'75 Jeep CJ5 345Hp ChevyPwrd, two motorcycles, '85 Pickup: The '89 Volvo is the newest vehicle I own. it wasn't Volvos safety , it was Longevity that sold me http://home.lyse.net/brox/TonyPage4.html http://cleanflametrap.com/tony/
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Hello,
I have 2 pet peeves about my fellow drivers, both of which, as far as I am concerned, are a lack of courtesy and awareness for their fellow drivers.
The first is not signaling for lane changes. I guess some drivers believe they are driving in a vacuum and that no one else needs to know what they heck they are doing.
Yeah, I might speed up and not allow you in if you turn on your signal in front of me.
But if you are driving a stupidly large SUV or one of those ridiculously overly lifted 4 wheel drive trucks that would roll over if I breathed on it hard (I have seen one idiot here in Los Angeles, who had to use a small ladder to get in his every day driver truck, I mean an old man with a bad back could limbo under this truck) and I am driving my little 122, then I don't want your oversized pieces of crap blocking my view of the other wackos driving in front of me.
The second is the blocking of access to make a right turn at an intersection at a stop sign or red light.
There is nothing more frustrating to me than to have to wait behind an inconsiderate @#$%!#@ing idiot of a driver who can not manage to stop their car or truck at an intersection far enough to the left so that a car can pass on the right to make a right turn.
I have seen some of the smaller cars made take up some much room at an intersection that I could not get my 122 past to make a right turn.
I take pride in knowing that I can get my 122 through a pair of the concrete posts at the LA Dodger stadium parking lot, so I can sneak out the sides of the parking lot instead of waiting to exit the jam packed standard exits along with all the others.
It seems to me that they think that since they can not proceed forward until the light changes or until they can pass straight past a stop sign, that the next person shall not pass them even when their fellow driver can legally and safely make a right turn or in some cases on a one way street, a left hand turn.
AAARRRGGGG!!!!!
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Eric
Hi Performance Automotive Service (formerly OVO or Old Volvos Only)
Torrance, CA 90502
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OK, I have numerous pet peeves.
First, I agree with planetman:
"The first is not signaling for lane changes. I guess some drivers believe they are driving in a vacuum and that no one else needs to know what they heck they are doing."
Any time a driver does not use their turn signal, it pisses me off!..If you have functioning turn signals, then you should use them!
Planetman writes;
"But if you are driving a stupidly large SUV or one of those ridiculously overly lifted 4 wheel drive trucks"
I live in the LA area,and a mega pet peeve is moronic embicles who drive huge bejeweled SUVs or monster trucks,epicurian assholes who believe the world is their ashtray,or a dingbat mom,who is innocently stupid, but nonetheless is piloting a massive Ford Excrusion,or gold trimmed Escalade, or Lincoln Navigator,,and is on her cellphone, and the light turns green,and you finally honk at her, she shakes her fist at you, as if to say;"cant you see I'm on the phone!",,,after which, of course, you miss the light.
OK, my other major huge pet peeve, is drivers who do not move to the right when driving on the freeway/interstate. Apparently, some people just cant grasp the concept of;"slower traffic stay to the right".Some f*&king idiots seem to think they are somehow entitled to use the fast lane at 55MPH!
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..I could go on,,,
Thanks and shame on you Eric for getting me started..............d
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Some f*&king idiots seem to think they are somehow entitled to use the fast lane at 55MPH!"<< This my response to 7dddds response-When the sign says the speed limit is 55 or 65- that’s the speed limit!!
The so called "fast lane" is NOT to drive over the speed limit-it is to try to drive AT the speed limit when the other lanes are moving slower. Its funny how many seem to think the "fast lane" means you can go faster than the posted speed limit-well you can, but not legally! I have no sympathy for anyone driving over the speed limit that gets a speeding ticket no matter what lane they were in..
Any CHP (California Highway Patrol in this instance) or police will ticket you if they catch you going over the posted limit in that so called “fast lane”. Its people like that who cause many accidents-they get all “raged up” when someone is driving 55 in the “fast lane” when and IF 55 is the speed limit.
Some say it’s the slower vehicle-doing the speed limit in the fast lane that causes accidents, its not, its the speeders! Argue all you want, the speed limit is the speed limit no matter what lane you are in.
Those who opt to go slower than the speed limit should move to the right to allow those trying to get up to the speed limit pass, but are not obligated to move over for those who are breaking speed limit laws:>>
BUT maybe not obligated as I said-but common sense say get out of the speeders way-let CHP (or whoever the enforcement agency is) get them.
I bet CHP and other state enforcement hear that excuse a lot: ” But Officer I was in the "fast lane" doing 90-what's wrong with that?”:oÞ~~~~
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Anthony2...with all due respect, in response to my post,You wrote:
"Some f*&king idiots seem to think they are somehow entitled to use the fast lane at 55MPH!"<< This my response to 7dddds response-When the sign says the speed limit is 55 or 65- that’s the speed limit!!
The so called "fast lane" is NOT to drive over the speed limit-it is to try to drive AT the speed limit when the other lanes are moving slower. Its funny how many seem to think the "fast lane" means you can go faster than the posted speed limit-well you can, but not legally! I have no sympathy for anyone driving over the speed limit that gets a speeding ticket no matter what lane they were in.. "
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I dont like being overly confrontational, but I could not resist quoting the following excellent responsive excerpts:
MrNabisco wrote:
"Slow cars in the left "fast" lane. To me that indicates the driver is basically unaware of what's going on around them and concentrating only on what's in front. How can they not see all the cars coming up behind then having to pass on the right? Yes, more often than not it indicates a stupid driver so beware.
And don't give me the "speed limit in the left lane" argument. Anybody who drives at all on highways in the US knows that 10mph over the speed limit is usually accepted by the cops, and knows slower traffic should keep right.
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Right on MrNabisco!
Ken C says:
"I've been driving for about 50 years now, and until recently (at my age that means a couple of decades or more ago), using that rule cops would pull people over and ticket them, if they were in a certain mood, for just staying in the so-called "passing" (left) lane too long, even they weren't actually speeding. Some places even had a reputation that you'd sooner get a "Failure to Keep to the Right" ticket than an actual speeding ticket.
I have a feeling that the rule has largely gone by the wayside, viz. traffic enforcement, despite still seeing the signs occasionally while traveling partly because of increased population density, at least in this part of the country, and the resultant road congestion. There just isn't enough room anymore in the right lane for all the vehicles.
That was the kinder interpretation. But there's also the cynical interpretation as well (and both seem valid), that our society has become much more selfish (among other traits) and so everyone wants to be first, without any consideration to others who might be willing to drive a little faster (the speed limit notwithstanding), so they hog that now-outmoded "passing lane" for themselves. Same thing about tailgating -- they're trying to get you to pull over (which I do) so they can get ahead, as they think they deserve.
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You are a cool guy Ken C!
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Sorry Anthony2, but I do not agree with your fast lane entitlement theory
Bottom line: Slower traffic keep right!!!The left lane is for passing and/or speeding.If you choose to go at the exact posted speed limit, then kindly yeild to those scofflaws who want and/or choose to go a bit faster than the official limit!(?)
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"Anybody who drives at all on highways in the US knows that 10mph over the speed limit is usually accepted by the cops, and knows slower traffic should keep right.
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May be accepted by some cops, but its ILLEGAL! Rationlizing that cops accept it doesnt make it legal. You can get a legal ticket even at 5mph over the limit. . Does that mean you can not, as I said, drive over the speed limit? No, you certainly can, illegaly, and when and if you get a ticket don't go crying about it, or IF your 10 mph over the limit somehow causes and accident to those doing the speed limit, also dont come crying. I drive over the speed limit at times also, I never said I didnt, but i know Im breaking the law when I do.
People who go to court might say "But I was doing only 10 mph over the limit and I was told cops accept that, your honor!! Listen to the bang of the judges gavel as he sets your fine. He, or she, has heard it all, excuses excuses. People spout off "righteous passages"** until they get caught.
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Maybe you didn't see my other post... If I can go 10mph faster I probably will. If I get caught and get a ticket then I realize it's my own fault.
I'm not rationalizing going 10mph over the limit I'm making an observation based on my experience.
As you said, "I drive over the speed limit at times also, I never said I didnt, but i know Im breaking the law when I do." Same thing.
If you wanna see some law breaking start driving the BQE or LIE. Speed limit? What speed limit?
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What's really disturbing is that Law Enforcement generally doesn't make any mention of speed limits. They tell us that we're supposed to "get out of the way" of someone who wants to go faster, no matter what lane we/they are in. Now this is just mind-bogglingly stupid. It's bad enough that that kind of attitude encourages people to go waaaay over the speed limit in the left lane, and then have their episodes of road rage while they're at it.
But in other lanes - o.m.g. You could conceivably weave all over the highway, changing lanes over and over, just to "get out of the way".
And, the little cat-and-mouse game of posting speed limits, but telling people to get out of the way so people can drive ever-faster in the fast lane, then giving the fast drivers speeding tickets...
All this "keep up with the flow of traffic" BS? People drive different speeds for different reasons, and the flow-of-traffic *causes* road rage when someone doesn't do *exactly* what these idiots think they should do. Then when the inevitable mistakes / mechanical failures happen, you get hundred-car pile-ups and many, many fatalities.
They just keep raising the speed limits on streets and highways, with less and less driver training. What it really looks like is the speed-limit-setters only listen to the loudest, most aggressive people, the ones who just want to drive fast and don't care if they crash into other people.
We sensible people don't speak up nearly often enough, and we are all paying the awful price of all these collisions.
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Here in the Northeast, lots of 2-lane (in each direction) parkways (although not all) have (or in some cases, had) signs stating, "Keep Right Except for Passing".
I've been driving for about 50 years now, and until recently (at my age that means a couple of decades or more ago), using that rule cops would pull people over and ticket them, if they were in a certain mood, for just staying in the so-called "passing" (left) lane too long, even they weren't actually speeding. Some places even had a reputation that you'd sooner get a "Failure to Keep to the Right" ticket than an actual speeding ticket.
I have a feeling that the rule has largely gone by the wayside, viz. traffic enforcement, despite still seeing the signs occasionally while traveling partly because of increased population density, at least in this part of the country, and the resultant road congestion. There just isn't enough room anymore in the right lane for all the vehicles.
That was the kinder interpretation. But there's also the cynical interpretation as well (and both seem valid), that our society has become much more selfish (among other traits) and so everyone wants to be first, without any consideration to others who might be willing to drive a little faster (the speed limit notwithstanding), so they hog that now-outmoded "passing lane" for themselves. Same thing about tailgating -- they're trying to get you to pull over (which I do) so they can get ahead, as they think they deserve.
And the same is true of other infractions on local roads. "Full stop on Red before turning Right" is a laugh; and Stop signs, if you're lucky, become "Yield merely suggested". People pull out of side streets in front of you if you've left a half second gap from the car farther ahead. Both are cases of, "I'm entitled to get ahead of you because I'm special!"
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