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Folks,
I seek reassurance.
My 1990 240 DL (li'l red) Wagon (with M47 II and clattering B230 in need of a valve adjust, yet a strong heart) requires, nay, demands a front suspension rebuild.
The most critical are the original factory installed strut mounts on this car. The driver side is nearly failed with tears through it. I made it worse driving around Krapkane, WA, evil town USA, one night when I rode the driver side front wheel up these new intersection dividing curbs while turning left from N. Market street onto E. Frederick a few months ago. Now the beast has a new, matching PN, front steelie, and a new set of used 195 80R 14 tires (70% tread, at four years old) all around. The BF Goodrich tires that came with the car when I bought it in Kirkwood, MO in August 2004 were nearly a decade old.
I have Meyle strut mounts in hand. This wee red beastie needs the rear (large) control arm bushes and also needs the smaller (front) bushings.
So, from iPD we have:
101738 - Front Bushing Kit - Rubber for 240
http://www.ipdusa.com/products/5295/101738-front-bushing-kit-rubber
These are APA/URO.
The Meyle strut mounts may be bad enough or not. While I advocate the Volvo OEM of SKF brand 240 strut mount, should I avoid the Meyle stut mount.
This 1990 240 DL wagon (245) was in a front end collision in 1999 or so. The passenger side A-pillar has a weld near where the A-pillar meets the roof. Underneath the front end, the lower cross-member that support the radiator, grille, headlight, and so forth was not well secured to the left unibody frame rail. This car has rust at the passenger front door bottom fold, a small floor board rust hole under the passenger seat, and a rust hole in the driver side rear quarter panel. I can repair all of these rust issues, in time. I simply don't like body work much. I'll also need a new exhaust from the manifold all the way back soon.
So, will I regret the Meyle strut mounts and the URO/APA control arm bushing set for 240?
Can you suggest other brands not so costy? Should I look at Moog/TRW for bushes and strut mounts?
Or am a huge hypocrite?
Please advise.
Thanks, RWD drivin' Folks.
Unemployed Technical Writer
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Oooooh, exciting, a job in Idaho?
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FWIW, any strut mount not from Volvo is junk. SKF, Meyle, whatever, are not worth the money. The Volvo community has demonstrated that they are short lived and do not fit. Not the place to pinch pennies.
Bushings must be Boge ()What Volvo will sell you) or Poly (SuperPro).
-Ryan
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Athens, Ohio
1987 245 DL 324k, Dog-hauler
1990 245 DL 142k M47, E-codes, GT Sways/Braces, Dracos, A-cam
1990 744GLE 189K 16-valve
1991 745 GL 304k
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Hi,
If you go with aftermarket rubber bushings go with Boge, Sachs, or Lemforder-whichever of the three FCP Groton or FCP Euro has listed. All three are the same. Also pretty sure they are the same as OEM Volvo bushings. You can tell when you look at the bushing itself as they will have "Volvo" ground out of the rubber. Pretty funny. If you get Lemforder bushings they have "Boge" and "Volvo" ground out. Even funnier. The bushing will also say made in W. Germany.-not ground out.
As for strut mounts you could do an experiment with the Meyle mounts and hopefully they will last at least a while before you have to spend time again doing the job and paying for another alignment. I just bought OEM Volvo strut mounts a couple months ago. Price is steep but they look good. Mount made in Sweden and the bearing itself is made by FAG in Portugal. The Moog mounts you will find online and elsewhere would probably be of good quality, but everywhere I looked the cheapest I could find them were $85 for each mount. Which is $10 more each over OEM.
You mentioned the TAB tool-I couldn't make one either when I had to do rear suspension work. Went to 2 Home Depot and 2 Lowes and couldn't get all the parts. After that hassle I decided to just order the SIR Tools TAB tool.
Travis
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Uncle Travis (1990Volvo240),
Thank you.
Like I list somewheres in this crazy thread I started with a whine and cheese, I went with everyone's beloved Tasca and list the parts n' prices as Tasca provides.
The parts are expected by 12 or so April 2012. An early b-day gift for myself and the (I also have a 1990) Volvo 240 DL wagon with M47 II manual. I've had enough suffering the "made in India and China with a Germany stamp" on the box junk.
ZF Friedrichshafen AG now owns Boge, Sachs, and Lemföerder. You are correct that Boge was (for 240,260,700,900/90) and maybe still is an OEM supplier to Volvo as was Sachs. I'd hope that all under the ZF Friedrichshafen AG umbrella is made in Europa.
After my discovery Meyle was made in China just prior to the green (verdigris metallic) 1992 Volvo 240 GL (moon roof, M47 II tranny, Dayna locking diff) suspension rebuild last year, well, all lower front bushes and parts are Meyle. The outer tie rods and ball joints are Meyle made in Turkey. (I'll trust made in Turkey centuries before anything made in India and China. Turkey is trying to get in the EU and you have to give Turkey mega kudos for standing up, doing the right, secular thing in a very diverse nation that Turkey is.)
It was an FCP Groton rep that motivated me to get Meyle strut mounts for Volvo 240 in like 2007 or 2008 when the APA/URO stut mouhnts were failing on my Volvo 240 (and that's far longer than many of us bricboard and out BMW brethren and sister-en report). They were made in China - a turn off since the APA/URO Volvo 240 strut mounts I installed on my grey metallic 1991 Volvo 240 failed in 45k miles and 10 years June, 2001 install in St. Louis).
I've read on other Europa auto enthusiast site, particular the BMW jetting set, that Meyle was hyped some years ago. They even sported SKF bearings in their strut mounts some forums posts report, yet the same old APA/URO strut mount failure on BMW 2002 and 3-series models after install with Bilsteins and the like on their bee-em-dubyas-yous. The Meyle stut mounts I have from FCP in 2007 are made in China and use SMC sealed bearings - very thin SMC bearings. One of the bearings are sort of crunchy and not smooth rolling. Adding to my hesitance to use these Meyle strut mounts on my verdigris metallic 1992 240 GL (no speakers, no stereo, just hums).
So the Meyle strut mounts shall remain uninstalled. I feel sort of sorry for them.
So far, in about a year, the 1992 Volvo 240 GL front suspension has not balked at all. The OEM bought from our beloved Tasca Volvo OEM strut mounts are merrily strut mounting along Spookylou's rotten roads. The car seems to relish Spokane's bad roads for some reason, but I drive like a little owld man and avoid the giant bus and rat people eating troll holes in the Spookylou road beds. The Bilstein touring strut cartridges are firm and fine. If I was working, I would have gone the way of the best, firmest Konis (orange, yellow, HD, I dunno anymore) since Konis shall fit all Volvo strut tubes; ABS or no (the 1992 240 GL has ABS and I need to clean the magnetic wheel sensors the lazy fat bastard I am).
Not much in the way of vendors in the poorest corner of NE WA-state. There exists the in Milwaukie, OR http://www.discountimportparts.com/. They work with a huge vendor variety well beyond FCP, iPD, and Spokane's own Lighthouse auto parts. I've not tried Federated Auto. The usual chains seems to direct you to APA, URO, and Scamcraptech.
Uncle Travis (1990Volvo240), thank you for the SIR Tools TAB tool mention. I'll check that up directly. ... dot-dot-dot ... click-click-click ... dubya-dubya-dubya - Is SIR Tools http://www.etoolcart.com/volvo.aspx? They host SPX made tools for Volvo. SPX is the Volvo tool provider for Volvo shops.
I see Sir Tools. http://www.sirtools.com/ I'll check this up, too.
If I really ♥ my ♂ (like Matt has in his brickboard .sig), I'll must and shall replace the rear trailing arm bushes on my 1990 240 DL wagon. A truly athletic affair and I'm a fat bassturd. Actually, all rear suspension bushings, too.
Gootta fight the universal entropy and decay so we can keep our lovingly lovely RWD Volvo full of love and they'll love us back!
With apologies to Mike Meyers: "Get into my belly!" said Fat Bastard to Mini Me in his Austin Powers spy flick caper funny films.
OREGON VOLVO TUNERS FOREVER!!!!!
http://www.ovtuners.org/
Sorry for the blah, blah, blah at length. I do go on.
Yet I seriously and hugely geek and nerd out on RWD Volvo. I mean I go crazy in a geeky and nerdy way. I wish I had a five car garage as a living room and could look at them and reference stuff while brickboard posting.
I wanna be like Jay Leno - have his wealth and a huge warehouse of pristine cars. Save for one thing - they'd all be rear wheel drove Volvos and maybe a few early (300,400,800, 1st generation C70 Coupe hard top NOT convertible) FWD. Call me a hypocrite.
Certainly we'd have 164s, 142, 242, 120, 130s, 444, 544, the Sugga, and you name it. Volvo - among the most gorgeous Swedish ladies I've ever placed my hands on while lubing them up with the Amsoil in the manual tranny. Heh-heh.
(And I loves them Europa women! You know. Not the car metaphor.)
Thank you,
Buttermilk Drinker (with a little pepper).
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Plenty of Volvos and Maybe More Volvos and then I'll have a total Volvo nerd and geek out!
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Hi,
Yes Sirtools.com is the company website. The prices for that TAB kit is kind of all over the place when comparing the different sites. I did some quick research back when ordering the kit over a year ago and went with this place:
http://www.toolsource.com/bushing-master-p-112944.html?sourceid=googleps
I almost tore my hair out looking for those pipe parts to make my own. It ended up my Thanksgiving weekend vacation was fast approaching and I couldn't find all the parts, nor did I have any time left to make one.
But in the end, the kit paid for itself so no big deal.
Travis
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Alright, you crazy Volvo-owning-caring-sensibly-motorin' RWD Volvo folks.
From Tasca:
Qty Description Core Price
2 Mechanical Catalog - 1992 - Volvo - 240
Part Number: 1272455
Front suspension, Suspension components, Strut mount, Strut mount, 240 - 240 - 240 $0.00 $154.98
1 Collision Catalog - 1990 - Volvo - 240
Part Number: 1273778
front suspension, suspension components, control arm rear Right $0.00 $17.08
2 Collision Catalog - 1990 - Volvo - 240
Part Number: 1205825
front suspension, suspension components, control arm front $0.00 $34.16
1 Collision Catalog - 1990 - Volvo - 240
Part Number: 1359812
front suspension, suspension components, control arm rear Left $0.00 $17.08
2 OEM Catalog
Part Number: 1272624
PROTECTING BELLOWS $0.00 $21.72
And I already have outer tie rods. One I installed last November on the wee red beastie. So, with all these parts, I can get it aligned. However, the trailing arm bushes are shot. I'll just buy the TAB tool from SPX, I guess. I have no hope of fabricating one in spite of the excellent instructions.
Protecting bellows are the accordion style strut boots used on the Turbo 240s with the de Carbon struts that have the big 'ol positions like the HD Bilsteins.
So matter what strut cartridge you use, you want to isolate the piston from any filth, dirt, and grime. Else they'll fail sooner than later.
Searching for Meyle struts mounts on other forums like the Bee Em Dubb-yooos via search engines suggest they fail regularly. I was sold on Meyle by an FCP Groton rep. So, regrettably, I'll have a set of two Meyle that I'll not ever use, I guess.
For the 1990 Volvo 240 (li'l red) wagon with M47 II.
On the far right:
These parts, a new made in Taiwan Craftsman brand Solder Iron Gun, and something else comprise my b-day gifts to myself. I'm everyone's fave tax deduction. Though I complete and file all tax returns before the end of January or early Feb each year.
Bleah, blah, blew. I digress and tangent. So, how Boise today. Another nasty little Western town? There's a job there. I'll regret it as much as I've despise Slumkane, Wacky, Wacky, Wackyngton State.
Washington State: Working towards absolute dysfunctionality to be more like California. Oregon is already a spazzo lost cause. The disease moves North like the little plants and critters what with climate change.
Oregon Volvo Tuners • OVT Main Page
Welcome to Oregon Volvo Tuners ...
www.ovtuners.org
OVT FOREVER!
Happy Holidayze, everyone.
Li'l Red 1990 240 DL Wagon Neglect-or? NO LONGER.
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Li'l red Volvo 240 DL wagon said, "Ooooh, just right."
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Did you ever get the crank counterhold tool? I'm in Nampa if you ever need to borrow one.
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Uncle Robert 240,
Thank you for your kind reply!
Giant semiconductor company in Boise turned me down for the position in Boise today. So, I won't be going to Boise. Sorry.
I have the crank counter hold tool (Volvo PN 9995284) and the camshaft pulley counter hold. Invaluable tools.
The crank counter hold tool (Volvo PN 9995284) is the ONLY way to remove the crank pulley without damaging the alignment pins and possibly the toothed crank pulley timing belt gear (doo hickey).
The problem with the crank counter hold tool (Volvo PN 9995284) is that the three tines (like a fork) won't fit the new spoke arrangement on the new Volvo factory crank harmonic balancer pulley for the B230 engine.
Uncle Robert 240, does your crank counter hold tool work with both the original OEM crank harmonic balancer pulley and the new one from Volvo. I bought ,mine from Tasca (where else?). I have one more to buy and possible two for each of the three Volvo 240s I love for.
Have you bought the brand new Volvo factory OEM crank pulley for your B230? Does it fit both the old and new?
Some brickboard folks say they grind the new OEM Volvo crank harmonic balancer pulley for their B230 (240,740,760,780,940). I started to do this yet saw it as damaging a new engineered Volvo part.
I stuck the 1991 Volvo 240 in 4th gear with the parking brake on, leaned back on the car so the parking brakes were dug in, and cranked the crank pulley with new crank to torque spec.
Now, doing that without the counterhold, just like the rope trick, can damage the crank pulley alignment pins and the crank timing belt pulley. I've seen it happen.
I got lucky that time.
I have the two other 240, the 90 240 DL wagon and the 92 240 GL. They both need a new front timing cover gasket. The crank and lower cam seals don't leak. It appears to always, always, always be the front timing cover gasket getting brittle or gasket leaking do to under torqued retaining hardware from the factory. On my 1991 Volvo 240, when I replaced the front timing cover gasket, the front timing cover retaining hardware was finger loose.
Have you bought the brand new Volvo factory OEM crank pulley for your B230? Does it fit both the old and new?
Sorry to go on at length. It is hailing here now.
Thank you,
Bub C.
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"Did you say RWD Volvo?" Nerd Out!
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"Now, doing that without the counterhold, just like the rope trick, can damage the crank pulley alignment pins and the crank timing belt pulley. I've seen it happen."
You've seen it happen?
Pure balderdash say I, defying you to cite even one confirmed example of the dire rope trick consequences you drivel on about at every opportunity
I find it worth noting that the rare sky-will-fall rope trick comments always come from self-styled authorities who, although they've never tried it, are vehemently opposed despite all the positive user experiences reported here over the years (partial list below):
2001 Here
2007 and Here
2007 and Here
2007 and Here
2008 and Here
2008 and Here
2008 and Here
2009 and Here
2009 and Here
2009 and Here
2009 and Here
2009 and Here
2009 and Here
2009 and Here
2009 and Here
2009 and Here
2010 and Here
2010 and Here
2010 and Here
[Enough for now. Preponderance of the evidence, etc.]
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Bruce Young, '93 940-NA (current), 240s (one V8), 140s, 122s, since '63.
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My counterhold tool I bought from IPD, the quality of the tool was poor. After two removal/installs of the stock pulley the tool was twisted and the welds were breaking.
I and many others complained and so IPD stopped selling it for awhile. Sometime later they came out with a new version which is much better quality, they replaced my old one for free.
So no I don’t have experience with the genuine OEM tool, but IPD’s website says their version deals with the tooth width:
http://www.ipdusa.com/products/7988/115647-crankshaft-pulley-holder-tool-b230
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I had a contract job "up in Boise" a few years ago. Loved it. I like the "atmosphere", the weather, especially in the spring. Of course, I was also there on 9/11, by myself, whilst the Wife was on a flight into DC. I had not way to contact her, for HOURS which seemed like DAYS............but, then, I guess if you were among the living, you had to be somewhere on that day, worried about someone...........
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Uncle Long-Rider,
I was in a job interview with the hiring manager at that exact time in St. Louis for a sr. tech writer job.
The hiring manager served me a purple plastic cup with ice cold 7-UP in it and gave me the rest of the can. I don't do winterviews at all well.
The world was norm before the winterview (what I call interviews sometimes). It was all changed after the interview.
The company had business clients and customers on both towers. Some were friends of the employees at the St. Louis company.
I did win the job, yet held it only 22 months or so.
As Uncle Art B. has in one of his wonderfully heady .sigs, "Everyone seems normal until you get to know them."
The large semiconductor company in Boise turned me down today in an email to my application. Sort of mixed feelings. I dunno if I can do the semiconductor industry. They job was in wafer fabrication. I'd much rather produce external, customer-facing communication products and services. More color and vibrancy; yet all prior positions save one were all customer facing documentation and they all turned out like crap.
Tech writer seems to relish stabbing each other in the back at where I've worked. Though I read and know other tech writers that absolutely love, love, love, their tech writer co-worker peers. That's what I'd like.
Oh well.
Thank you, Uncle Long-Rider.
MacDuff and his Volvos 240 three.
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"I have no family, so I call everyone family with Uncle, Aunte, Cousin, and the like."
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Meyle is a reputable company I have used their motor mounts and will again.
I bought Volvo strut mounts from TASCA Volvo.
I would stay away from anything with Uro, APA, or scantech in their name. Likely the rear control arm bushings for the front suspension are all you need to replace, get quality rubber or polyu bushes for this location.
Dan
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Uncle pageda,
I went ahead and got the OEM Volvo 240 strut mounts from Tasca.
The made in China Volvo 240 strut mounts with the made in Japan SMC sealed bearings will remain. The bearing in one of these two Meyle strut mounts is crunchy when rotated at an angle, so I'm hesitant to use them.
If I could get the SMX bearings removed and get the same form factor SKF or better sealed bearings, I may use the Meyle strut mounts.
I bought these Meyle strut mounts from FCP Groton in 2007 or 2008 when Meyle was much ballyhooed as a quality new comer.
If you search for Meyle strut mounts you'll find some unsavory experiences our old RWD BMW relatives have suffered with. They say they won't use Meyle again.
I'm unsure. If I get a fourth 240, and I can replace the sealed bearings, I may try them. Removing and compressing the springs to swap strut mounts is not so bad. Just dirty and relentless.
Uncle pageda, thank you.
Happy Holidays everyone. I could do with a good Seder dinner. Than an Easter brunch where everyone and their Mom get all dressed up for services and than a delicious bruncheon in a sort of Mother's Day warm up.
I wish I had a mother.
cheers,
Uncle pageda,
I went ahead and got the OEM Volvo 240 strut mounts from Tasca.
The made in China Volvo 240 strut mounts with the made in Japan SMC sealed bearings will remain. The bearing in one of these two Meyle strut mounts is crunchy when rotated at an angle, so I'm hesitant to use them.
If I could get the SMX bearings removed and get the same form factor SKF or better sealed bearings, I may use the Meyle strut mounts.
I bought these Meyle strut mounts from FCP Groton in 2007 or 2008 when Meyle was much ballyhooed as a quality new comer.
If you search for Meyle strut mounts you'll find some unsavory experiences our old RWD BMW relatives have suffered with. They say they won't use Meyle again.
I'm unsure. If I get a fourth 240, and I can replace the sealed bearings, I may try them. Removing and compressing the springs to swap strut mounts is not so bad. Just dirty and relentless.
Uncle pageda, thank you.
Happy Holidays everyone. I could do with a good Seder dinner. Than an Easter brunch where everyone and their Mom get all dressed up for services and than a delicious bruncheon in a sort of Mother's Day warm up.
I wish I had a mother.
cheers,
MacDuff taking a bite of the cheese whiz.
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"I got pulled over for cheese whizzing while driving. Damn the triscuits!"
Uncle Buck, "You have good plumbing? I have a cheese problem."
MacDuff taking a bit of the cheese whiz.
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"I got pulled over for cheese whizzing while driving. Damn the triscuits!"
Uncle Buck, "You have good plumbing? I have a cheese problem."
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