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Starting Problems on my 245 - where to start? 200

ok, i'm the new owner of this '88 245 w 179k!

we've had it 2 weeks and troubles have come on strong!

first, it died on my wife - she took the other car, i kept cranking on it, took for a drive - no more start issues that week...

few days later out getting parts of my friend's scrapped 245 - won't start - turns over - nothing - he checks to see if the fuel pump was running - wasn't - so he dropped in the fuel pump relay from his '86 - started right up!

so, i leave town and of course the car won't start!

I'm back and just wondering where to start...

I checked the 25a fuse under the hood - and fuses in the kick panel - all good

I had my wife try turning it to on - cranking it and then back to on, repeat - at first there was a POOF sound - then after that i didn't hear the fuel pump running.

where to start? I will say that wet weather came on strong as soon as i left - crazy rain here in Oregon - could it be something is wet?

thanks in advance,

aaron








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    Starting Problems on my 245 - where to start? 200 1988

    Hey, welcome to the club.

    Good advice so far to read, but you can only absorb so much without poking around on the hardware. Yeah, the rain could keep it from starting -- that's why WD-40 was developed in the first place.

    When you're stumped, the basics of a running engine need to be reviewed. You need spark, fuel (fuel-air), and compression. But troubleshooting is all about doing the easiest tests first.

    Because you already solved one no-start with a parts-car relay, you may want to verify that part of the equation first - fuel delivery. If you use a test light or multimeter, you can verify that relay is getting power from the 25A fuse up front by checking for 12V on the orange wire (key on) leading to the AMM. That's the easiest, quickest test to prove that fuse isn't dirty and at least half of the relay is completing the circuit.

    In your '88 the fuel pump won't run unless the motor is turning and telling the ignition coil to generate spark. Don't even fret over the ceramic fuses by your left foot, as you can start and run this car with all of them missing; in fact you can drive across town that way if you don't get into trouble for no signal lights. However, one handy way to check the fuel pump, and bypass both the pump relay and its supply fuse is to use something to bridge the left side of fuse 4 and 6. If that gets the pump going, but doesn't help when starting the car, consider you may not have any spark. That's about the third-easiest thing, perhaps tied with disconnecting the AMM temporarily.




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    Starting Problems on my 245 - where to start? 200

    Spend some time reading through the archives. There's a lot on no-starts.

    It could be many things and what will help you track it down is watching for other symptoms; if it hesitates before it stalls; if it fires some before it starts; only when cold/ wet/ ....

    You: "I checked the 25a fuse under the hood - and fuses in the kick panel - all good"

    "Good" to me means that the contacts/ connectors are all clean and conducting as they should; no lose/ broken wires at the 25A fuse; .... A fuse looking good is only one aspect.

    I just worked on a no-start with several new parts. Turned out that the fuel-pump fuse ends were corroded. It's been back on the road 2 weeks now sans problems.
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    240s: 2 drivers & parts cars








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      Starting Problems on my 245 - where to start? 200

      To expand on this...you cannot look at a ceramic fuse and give it thumbs up as OK. Remove, clean the clips, re tension if necessary, replace all fuses that sre plastic of have silver metal instead of brass, re-install. If you have not done that since purchase, you need to do it now to even get a base-line.

      Next thing to do is isolate if the issue is fuel, ignition or compression.. Since this is intermittent, you can usually ignore compression. So next time it no-starts, pull and plug and see if it is wet with fuel. Then place its base again the bare metal of the head and have someone else crank (dark place helps) and see if the spark is jumping the gap.

      You troubleshooting is kind of shotgun so my suggestion is go to the 7/9 FAQ's at the top of the page and follow the no-start/hard-start troubleshooting tree. It is 90% the same on the 240.

      Mike








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        Starting Problems on my 245 - where to start? 200

        Ok - so the confusion continues...

        I go to check the 25A fuse - small amount of condensation in the fuse itself! Cleaned the contacts. Started right up!

        Should prolly replace the fuse, no?

        Also - i've been noticing a gas smell inside the 245 - unrelated? Doesn't seem to come and go with fill ups and what not - just a bit of lingering gas smell.

        -thanks for all the help guys - i really love this beast and want it to be dependable!

        -aaron








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          Starting Problems on my 245 - where to start? 200

          The fix via the 25A fuse shouldn't be confusing.

          You: " i really love this beast and want it to be dependable!"

          If you should probably read through the FAQ and archives - and start w/ Art B's message here.

          When a friend gets a new 240 I'm often the one to go through it for/with him/her. There are several basic things you should do to these cars to put them back in dependable mode. the 25A fuse is but a small part of that.
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          240s: 2 drivers & parts cars








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            Starting Problems on my 245 - where to start? 200

            Seems to be that the 25A fuse was indeed the issue.

            now I'll turn my attention to the suspension!

            thanks for the advice!

            -aaron







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