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It's been awhile since I have owned a Volvo (see my profile) and been on this site. I am once again looking to own a Volvo but this time for my daughter. I have a great shop in the Phoenix area to go to for repairs and will go there for major servicing. I can do the minor stuff myself.
I was looking for a 1990 to 1993 with a manual transmission and A/C. The wife wants the car to have air bags. What recommendations do you guys have on a car to get?
Thanks in advance.
Jim
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Jim - 1992 Volvo 965, 140K and going strong!
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posted by
someone claiming to be Soul Survivor
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Mon Jan 31 19:06 CST 2011 [ RELATED]
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Don't buy your daughter a 200 series Volvo!
I got a 1999 Buick Regal with just about 100k from a City of New York auction and gave it to my daughter to go to Penn State. Best thing I ever did.
I still have my 240s, but she never would've survived a 240. Remember these cars are now twenty to twenty-five years old. They are very very tired and they were designed back in the late 1960s for deployment in the early 1970s. The series has lasted so long because it was very popular at the time. But that time is gone. We are all living in the past, and we should recognize that. Do not expect the 240, which is quickly becoming a historic collector's item, to be daily transportation.
The Buick cost me $2000. A year later one like it came up at the same auction and sold for $4000! I've put in about $2000 in the car, but I'm still ahead of the game as it reaches 150k. It has air bags and is really solid.
Look for a GM W body like the Regal or the Chevrolet Impala. There are also equally good Ford products, such as the Gen 3 & 4 Taurus. They also have a club and site just like the Brickboard. Taurus' are a little more difficult to work on and both Jimmys and Fords are difficult to get parts for because the manufacturers are flushing parts from inventory for balance sheet reasons. However, Dormann and other off-shore parts producers are building a lot of exotic, but necessary parts, for these very popular domestic automobiles just as Scan Tech has been building parts for the 200.
The domestics ride a lot nicer are just as safe as the 240, perhaps even safer because the 2002 and later cars have six way air bags. The alternative is to look at a FWD Volvo like the S60, etc.
Also crash parts are less expensive and highly available from China based sources for 1990 - 2000 domestics. I suspect the same is true with the S60 and later model Volvos. I've also heard good things about the new mini-cooper when it comes to crash survivability. It beats the older Ford F150 pick up for passenger compartment survivability.
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Mini Cooper - crash surviabilty- I don't think so.I'll take my chances in any 240 any day!
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I have 3 240's. 2 of them I wouldn't hesitate to drive cross country in. The 3'rd I put a turbo in at 280K miles. Tired? I think I'm more tired and aging faster then the 240's are. As far as safety goes do some real research and present some real facts. Thats all I'm going to say on that topic.
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What's so great about that? FWIW - For about the same money I bought a mint 95 850 wagon a 1 1/2 years ago and I've put $400 into it. Some of that money was for a tranny flush and the rest was for non-essential repairs. And I guarantee you the 850 is safer than any older Buick and a lot more fun to drive...:)
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My first new car was a 1984 DL. I had to sell it when I moved to Birmingham-lots of stoplights on inclines made it a nightmare for a standard shift.
I recently came across a 1989 240, one owner, serviced by one mechanic in very clean shape. The seller was a gentleman and a scholar and we picked it up for a very fair price given that everything works and there is no major maintenance pending based on the mechanics records.
We are thrilled with "Sven" and I am having big time flashbacks to my beloved 240.
One thing to remember is that while newer cars may have air bags they also have computer controlled ignition systems that cost more to replace than the car is worth.
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K,
I bought my computer controlled ignition system (complete) for $25 at the junkyard.
Goatman
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We have what has over the years, become a joke in our family, they groan "oh dad". As new drivers, my boys and I sat in their "new" 18 year old Volvo wagons [at the time] and I would ask "what is the most important safety device in the car". They would variously go through the list, brakes, tires etc. The answer was/is ...THE DRIVER. So no matter which set of wheels they end up with, remind them they are the biggest contributor to their own safety and the safety of other. It worked for our family - made it through teen driving years with no accidents in 1979 and 1988 245 wagons.
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Get airbags. And definitely get ABS. ABS has saved my butt from 3 serious accidents: Driving like a fool and winding up in an orchard, a semi running a red light in the rain, and a driver turning left across 3 lanes from the right hand turn lane.
SIPS is a good idea, but I don't know if they had that in the 200s. I have a car with an M46 with the electric overdrive and I think it's an overcomplication. I'd much rather have an M47, despite their potential 5th gear issues because the M46 has guaranteed issues after a certain number of miles or years.
I'd also look for one with power mirrors and without a turbo. Turbos are lots of fun... and that's a safety issue with a new driver. Power mirrors let people adjust them easily and safely without reaching across a car or settling for less than good adjustments.
Good Luck!
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1990 740 Turbo, on its way to stock specs, maybe beyond
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posted by
someone claiming to be Juan P.
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Sun Jan 23 09:16 CST 2011 [ RELATED]
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Will,
No, the 240s never had SIPS. Its first application was in 1992, and only for the 740 and 940/960 series. All 850s starting with '93 had SIPS, and side airbags from '95 on.
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Yup, 93-95 940 is a good choice. Dual airbags, SIPS (side impact protection system). No manual tranny though.
Or 92-93 240 with single airbag and ABS.
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Not long after my daughter got her licence and became reasonably proficient on our minivan automatic, I taught her to drive the 1983 240 with the M46/OD. Those were some stressful outings! She drove it for some years, but when she moved to the SF Bay area I felt that the 940 was safer and traded cars with her. During a visit I discovered the problem with young women and automatics...they can TEXT WHILE DRIVING!
So - perhaps you can teach her on an automatic until she is reasonably skilled, then get her a std. A manual requires the driver to avoid distraction and be much more involved with the driving function.
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Bob: son's 81-GL, dtr's '94-940, my 83-DL, 89-745(V8) and 98-S90. Also 77-MGB and some old motorcycles.
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I've got a manual and auto car... I can text while driving both of them.
I like the auto/manual switch too, but a few hours driving a stick in only first and second in a parking lot may make a newish driver understand driving a stick quite a bit better.
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1990 740 Turbo, on its way to stock specs, maybe beyond
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I had great luck with both the 240's I had. The 760 was ok too. I had a 960 as well but had no luck with the auto transmission. Put two in it; 1 at 90K another was going out at 185K when I traded it in.
Mainly thinking the 240 would be simpler to maintain and built like a tank. More stuff to go wrong on the 940's.
Newer cars seem to be more reliable when new now days then when I had my Volvo's new in the 80's and 90's. What ya think?
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Me? Think? About new cars now being better than new cars 15 years ago?
I completely agree.
They may be less fun to drive, but as long as they're not bottom of the barrel or made by brand new companies or brand new models/technologies, I think they're quite a bit better than new cars 20-10 years ago. There are still lots that are flakey.
I've been texting and driving for several years. I don't look at my phone while I do it, and I read with my phone raised up in my windshield. If there's much traffic, or if I don't feel at my best, my phone sits in my pocket. I admit to it, I admit it's somewhat risky, but I don't stare at my lap for 30 seconds while I write a text like a lot of idjits do. With the phone up by the windshield, I can see changes in my peripheral vision better than when I'm staring at my gauges. I "never" look away from my driving for more than 1 second.
While I text and drive, the driving is the priority. I do see lots and lots of people driving down the road, staring at their phones for 5 and 10 seconds. Scary.
Happy Bricking
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1990 740 Turbo, on its way to stock specs, maybe beyond
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No matter how you explain it, texting while driving is dangerous. Any distraction from the task at hand could be deadly to you, your passengers, or someone else on the road. How many times have you heard someone say, "I only looked away for a SECOND." The statistics show the danger. I put my phone away when I'm driving.
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Hello,
Once you get going, the manual transmission is the same as an automatic. I don't think that a manual transmission will stop texting and driving. Only with good parenting and discipline can you reduce "learning the hard way." The problem with the hard way is sometimes you don't live to learn the lesson....
Goatman
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...and you admit to this?
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Bob: son's 81-GL, dtr's '94-940, my 83-DL, 89-745(V8) and 98-S90. Also 77-MGB and some old motorcycles.
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Texting while driving is against the law here and in many other states. It's a risky behavior. Why do you tempt fate?
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lots of things are against the law. ever know anyone who got pulled over for texting? me neither
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You miss the point. I don't care if it's against the law or not. It's a risky behavior. Any behavior is risky if it distracts you from paying attention to your driving.
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3 Volvos, 2 presently
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For the inexperienced it's a lot easier to be a good driver with and automatic. just my 2 cents ...
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I would buy a 93 or later 940. These years have side impact protection. My 18 year old niece, while driving a full size 1990 Mercedes with similar Side impact reinforcement, was hit by a pick up truck in the drivers door. Estimated speed was 45 mph. While they had to cut her out of the car. The only repercussion was that she had an excuse not to take high school gym class for a month.
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Antilock brakes are a good idea for a new driver. Optional in 1991, standard 1992 and 1993.
But why not consider a 940? Same drivetrain as a 240. Handles more like a modern car, is extremely stable, and will also have a drivers airbag and antilock brakes. 1994 and 1995 will also have a front passenger airbag, and 1993-1995 have a redesigned unibody to significantly improve side-impact performance. Only drawback I see is that manual trannies are much more rare in the 940.
john
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I might add the manual transmissions are also rare in the later year 240's.
Dan
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True, but not _as_ rare as in the 940. I've seen about 5 late 240's with manual in the local junkyard over the past few years. I've NEVER seen a 940 with a stick out there.
john
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posted by
someone claiming to be Juan P.
on
Sat Jan 22 12:09 CST 2011 [ RELATED]
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John,
Actually, neither the 940 nor 960 was available with a manual gearbox. The 740 did have a manual option in 1991, but it was only for the Turbo model, and it was still the old M46. The stick was dropped entirely for '92.
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That's what I was going to say. If you've ever seen a (US market) 940 with a stickshift then someone converted it with 700 series parts.
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'63 PV544 rat rod, '93 Classic #1141 245 (now w/16V turbo)
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I would recommend a 91 or later due to the upgraded AC system (although still R12). If you want one with R134 (no conversion costs) on the AC, 93 is your only option unless the AC has already been converted. The 93 also has the B230L engine which is a B230F with oil squirters to cool the pistons... excellent for longevity and the near elimination of piston slap on cold start-up.
jorrell
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92 245 299.3K miles, IPD'd to the hilt, 06 XC70, 00 Eclipse custom Turbo setup...currently taking names and kicking reputations!
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posted by
someone claiming to be Juan P.
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Sat Jan 22 12:08 CST 2011 [ RELATED]
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Hey Jorrell,
Are you looking forward to your '92 turning over 300k miles? You'll be there soon.
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It just turned 306K yesterday evening, about 3 months ago it turned over 300K. It now sports a Swedish front license plate with "300K miles" on it and 300K prancing moose magnets on the front fenders under the Volvo badge.
jorrell
ps. I keep trying to update my info at the bottom of the page, but the BB doesn't seem to comply with my wishes.
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92 245 299.3K miles, IPD'd to the hilt, 06 XC70, 00 Eclipse custom Turbo setup...currently taking names and kicking reputations!
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Jorrell, I also was not able to update my profile... until last week.
Keep trying.
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-Cool Volvo- 1982 240 4 Spd OD w/ 266K, 1989 240 5 Spd w/ 269K. Past proud owner of 1966 122, 1968 144, 1970 145, 1972 144, 1980 245
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What's interesting is that even though my profile is updated, it's not being picked up in any of my posts.
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-Cool Volvo- 1982 240 4 Spd OD w/ 266K, 1989 240 5 Spd w/ 269K. Past proud owner of 1966 122, 1968 144, 1970 145, 1972 144, 1980 245
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Thanks for the heads-up. I just tried to change mine and it appears to have worked. First time since I joined 3 years ago!
john
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1989 245 233K / 1993 945 127K
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I haven't been able to change my sig/info for about a year and a half. These moose magnets sound interesting. What are they?
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1990 740 Turbo, on its way to stock specs, maybe beyond
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Check out www.davebarton.com. Dave will do custom printing on them as well. I went with the yellow background shield with black moose and 300K miles for the text. They really stand out and are eye catching on the blue-green metallic paint.
He will do stickers or laminated magnets, the quality is very high for the price.
jorrell
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92 245 305K miles, IPD'd to the hilt, 06 XC70, 00 Eclipse custom Turbo setup...currently taking names and kicking reputations!
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