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The Black Cloud of Death - is my turbo pooched? 700 1987

Howdy, all.

Coming back from the folks post-Christmas, car full of stuff and people, holding a solid 120 kph, when suddenly, there's a black cloud following us. This is immediately coupled with a profound stumbling under power and bad vibrations through the shifter. Something is unhappy beneath the hood.

I cripple the car home, noting that whenever the needle on the boost gauge makes it into the yellow zone, she does her horrible little dance - stumbling, cloud, immediate loss of power, bad shift vibration. If I back off and keep the needle below the yellow bar, all is well. The engine runs smoothly, no shivering shifter syndrome, no cloud. Pour on the steam for a hill, boost goes up, and we're back to the bad behaviour.

The turbo has been bleeding oil for some time now. I've taken it by the local Volvo specialists and they immediately talked turbo replacement/rebuild, quoting me c. $1000. From the way she's behaving, it looks like I need to spend the money. Three questions:

1) Does my diagnosis - pooched turbo - sound correct to you?
2) Is $1000 a fair price for a turbo rebuild/replacement?
3) What does a good used turbo run one ordinarily?

Many thanks in advance, folks.

Dan








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    The Black Cloud of Death - is my turbo pooched? 700 1987

    Many thanks, guys. VERY glad to hear I'm not shelling out $1K for a new turbo!

    It's currently -20C here now, and I don't have a garage. It'll be warming up to freezing or so by the weekend, so I'll go out and crawl around under her for a bit on Saturday.

    Cheers,

    Dan








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      The Black Cloud of Death - is my turbo pooched? 700 1987

      Even better news - You don't have to crawl under the car, it's all visible from under the hood! And also, a good used turbo from a junkyard is pretty darn cheap if you (or a junkyard frequenter) pulls it for you. I worried for years about my turbo being bad because of all the talk about problems, but it's been 6 years and no problems with it.

      Good Luck.

      PS If you keep your upper body really warm, the rest of you will be warmer too.
      --
      1990 740 Turbo, on its way to stock specs, maybe beyond








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      The Black Cloud of Death - is my turbo pooched? 700 1987

      McDuck is right on the money. First thing to check are the hoses in the induction system. Take them off, clean, and visually inspect. It is probably the hose connecting to the throttle body, but the other two also fail. The hose on the outlet side of the intercooler wears out on the bottom side.

      If you eventually need a turbo, it is going to cost you. I think you can get a turbo rebuilt for about $300, but your shop has to take it off, and re-install it. They are in the business of making money and you can't fault theme for that.
      --
      john








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    The Black Cloud of Death - is my turbo pooched? 700 1987

    Agreed with McDuck! No need to shell out tons of money. Just enough to replace the intake hose that ruptured. Look at the hoses between the airbox, turbo, intercooler, and intake. One of them (the soft rubber ones) has probably come off or blown a hole in itself.

    It happened to mine and took forever to find the small rubber hose from intercooler to metal intake tube was blown. It's small - only 3-4 inches, but don't overlook it.

    Good Luck!
    --
    1990 740 Turbo, on its way to stock specs, maybe beyond








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    The Black Coud of Death - is my turbo pooched? 700 1987

    You've blown a hose between the turbo and the throttle body. Or maybe the intercooler (they pop the seams).
    MAF sensor measures the air, adds gas as required, the air leaks out, and you have a black cloud.
    It's the BLUE/WHITE cloud of death.








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      The Black Coud of Death - is my turbo pooched? SOLUTION FOUND! 700 1987

      OK, dropped her off at the mechanic yesterday. Here's the problem:

      There's a valve in the intake system that allows bleeding off of excessive pressure. It's held on the front of the block by two big-assed allen bolts. Somehow those two bolts had backed off damn near all the way, giving the engine God's Own Vacuum Leak.

      New gasket, bolts snugged down, fresh air filter, and the damn thing drives like new. Turbo is fine, I still have money for more important things (like guns and parts for that other Euro troublemaker we own, the Vanagon) and life is back to normal.

      Phew.

      Thanks to all who responded.

      Dan







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