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Brake Juction Box Switch 200

I'm changing out the BJB in my 85 240ti to a regular junction block w/o switch. I got a Brake Fluid Reservoir with the worning switch mounted on the reservoir from a 90 240. It fits the MC on mine.
Is the old switch in the BJB grounded through the mounting of it and the wire coming out of the switch Hot?
Im Hoping to wire the SW on the MC Reservoir (Brown Wire) to the wire that goes to the old switch in the block and just ground the Black Wire that also comes out of the Reservoir SW.
This way I won't have to worry about that crappy set up Volvo used that seems to leak at the switch. So what do you think and will that be the correct way for wiring it up? Charlie








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    Just finished installing 200

    Wanted to post results:
    1.Hold brake peddle down 1/2way to keep MBC from draining fluid out.
    2.Use Turkey baster to extract brake fluid from reservoir.
    3.Replaced 91 Brake fluid reservoir and fits MBC no problem.
    4.Wired reservoir switch.
    5.Installed 91 BJB no problem with brake lines lining up.Just connected lines to BJB before mounting BJB to frame.Easyer to make sure I didn't cross thread.
    6.Add brake fluid and bleed brakes.
    So far everything is good,the work took me about 3 1/2 Hrs. I work slow so I don't have to do things over so it might take someone less time.
    Test ride and everything is good.
    Charlie








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    Brake Juction Box Switch 200

    Hi Charlie
    I just went through this with a customer and a leaking valve. In the end the leaking valve got a 1/4" pipe plug in it ... won't mention any names. Anyway, at the time I told him it should work fine to use the later master cylinder and cap with the sensor. He never did but it should work fine.
    Charles








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      Brake Juction Box Switch 200

      I guess what you did will work but I took a BJB apart and the piston was seized and the rubber O rings where falling apart and crud in the cylinder.Don't think I would want that crap in my brake system.
      I just feel safer by replacing with 91 BJB and that's the end of it.
      Charlie








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    Dual braking system 200

    The warning switch is to show a change in pressure between the two sides of the braking system eg. failing MC seals, fluid loss.

    My understanding is ABS systems don't have the dual system therefore don't have the switch. Rather overall fluid loss is indicated by the reservoir switch.

    So if you aren't interested in knowing about a pressure difference between the sides, you could just remove the BJB switch and replace it with a suitable plug. No need to replace the reservoir with one with a switch.
    --
    1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb but electronic ignition and M46 trans in Brampton, Ont.








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      Dual braking system 200

      Hi Trev,

      In the thread Charlie refers to, we discussed the change that was made in '91, at least in the US market. For non-ABS cars in that year, the differential pressure switch was done away with, replaced with the more reliable, less troublesome, level sensing reservoir, and a much less expensive manifold block. Non-ABS. My daughter has one of those cars.

      Plugging the switch is impossible. I know the word "impossible" is like waving a red flag at a crowd of bulls, but think about your hydraulic pressure peaks in the braking system, and the fact nothing there is sealed by threads, and what it would take to match those switch threads with a plug and some kind of brake-fluid-proof sealant. If there is fluid at the switch, the hydraulic seals inside the octopus have failed, and no "new switch" or plug will fix it. Most of us just live with a slow leak.

      ABS are still dual systems, just not split at the front calipers like the pre-ABS. The same switchless manifold is used. Anything resulting in a pressure differential, as reported by the old system, would wind up lighting the brake failure light through the level switch, when the fluid fails to return to the rez.

      Lots of "progress" was made in the 19 years of 240 production. Some of it was actually implemented on our 240s.
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      Art Benstein near Baltimore

      Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. -Robert A. Heinlein








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        Thanks 200

        Thanks for the info. Will try to remember to look for the newer system at the PnP. Don't know if I'd use it because I have spares, but good to know there are options.
        --
        1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb but electronic ignition and M46 trans in Brampton, Ont.








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    Brake Junction Box Switch 200

    Charlie, good on you for doing this!

    I think you will run that wire that was on the octopus up to the reservoir switch and then ground the other res switch wire and all will be well. Just like you planned.

    If you found a triangle reservoir on a '90, it probably was a replacement, and much newer than 90, because the float reservoir coupled with non-ABS only showed up on the non-ABS 91's that I am aware of, making it a good find in the yard.

    It would be great if you could take a picture of your junction box replacement to show the rest of us how this retrofit can be done.
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    Art Benstein near Baltimore

    A dog teaches a boy fidelity, perseverance, and to turn around three times before lying down. -Robert Benchley








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      Brake Junction Box Switch 200

      Hi Art, I will post and include pic's when I do the switch over. You may be right about it being a 91 not the 90 I thought.I will have to check next time I go to the P&P. We talked about doing this a while ago but the last time I pulled a reservoir off a 91 the reservoir connection to my MC was 1/4" wider apart and didn't mach up to the holes. Charlie








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        Brake Junction Box Switch 200

        I remember that thread, and the disappointment I felt when the rez didn't match up. My impression was the one that did not match was for an ABS car, quite common after 91 and probably on the 7/9 cars too. That would have made the conversion sweet and cheap, along with that switchless octopus.
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        Art Benstein near Baltimore

        Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole.
        -Roger Caras








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          Brake Junction Box Switch 200

          Ya, I thought that it wasn't going to work,but I don't give up that easy. Now I have to go back to the P&P tomorrow and see what block is on the one I pulled the Res. off of and look at the VIN to tell the year. I will pull the block and that should make it an easy switch. Let you know tomorrow. Charlie








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            Brake Junction Box Switch 200

            How about deleting the so-called pressure safety/light? switch and simply fitting a brass junction from a late model replacing the rusty old, incredibly expensive iron model?

            The junction is simply, a mechanical coupling piece of hardware?

            My '65 Plymouth didn't have a light, and I could tell when the brakes weren't working by how fast the car didn't stop using my brain. I could even check the oil myself! And the tire pressure!

            Of course, when tinkering with brakes you are at the mercy of yer own mechanical prowess. Don't tell yer insurance man that you do yer own brakework, he'll freak out.








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              Brake Junction Box Switch 200

              A lot of the late model 200,700 and 900's with ABS that I looked at had less connections on the BJB. The non-ABS 200's like mine needs 8 brake line connections and the 91 200 is a direct fit. Charlie








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              Brake Junction Box Switch 200

              O.K. this turns out to be pritty easy. I picked up the last part yesterday from the 91 244 Volvo at the P&P. So all you need is the Brake Reservoir and the BJB off ONLY A 1991 240 non-ABS. Thay are direct fit on to my 1985 240ti and pritty sure any of the older 240's without ABS.
              The BJB I picked up yesterday will bolt right up with out rebending any of the lines.I matched it up with a BJB that I was going to try to fill the hole for the switch that tends to leak.
              So thanks Art for the help, it seems it will be a great improvement to the brake system. I almost forgot the cost was $3.75 for the Res. and $4.00 for the BJB. Now all I have to do is install them as soon as I have the time.
              Art I am having problems loading a pic of the 2 BJB side by side so I don't Have your email and the BB's emialing isn't working maybe you could send me your's and I could email you the pic.
              Charlie







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