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fuel pump doesn't come on 200 1981

When I first got my 81 245, when you turned the key on, but before you cranked the engine, you could hear the fuel pump come on for a few seconds and then stop. I assumed it was pressurizing the system. I also assumed it was the main pump. In the midst of some problems with the fuel pump relay, it stopped coming on, i.e., no more buzzing. And now, first thing in the morning, it takes 5 to 8 seconds of cranking before it catches fire whereas before it fired up instantly. I've studied the wiring diagram and don't know enough about electricity to understand exactly what is supposed to happen when the key is first turned on. Would appreciate help. Engine runs fine after it starts. This is a K-jet system. Art, you said something about some after market fuel pump relays that didn't 'buz' the fuel pump but I'm not sure if you meant they were defective or what. Thanks again for all who help
Jim








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    fuel pump doesn't come on 200 1981

    Hi Jim,

    I'm not sure what Art meant there either. I don't recall ever getting that Key On buzz with a '78 245 (several years) or a '83 turbo wagon (also several years). My first relay "buzz" was on the '80gle V8, where I used the stock K-jet relay and an LH pump. And that was a surprise — it just started doing it one day. I replaced the relay, thinking it was going bad or something.

    In the LH2.4 that "prime cycle" was built into the ECU for some "unknown" reason. I say unknown because I don't know what it's for. That function is never mentioned in any Volvo documentation, and diagnostically all it tells you is that the pump will run [if the ECU grounds the relay coil in a non-standard way that doesn't need ignition pulses].

    I wouldn't blame your "5 to 8 seconds of cranking" on the missing "prime". That '83 turbo wagon was one of the fastest starting cars I ever had, even in the dead of winter after setting outside overnight. And none of it's 2 or 3 relays ever did the prime thing. I'd be more suspicious of the Accumulator. They generally keep some good backup pressure.

    I think Art has said that a good system will have full pressure up in something like one or two pump revolutions. And that's how the good ones always seemed to me.

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    Bruce Young, '93 940-NA (current), 240s (one V8), 140s, 122s, since '63.








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      I have a 85 244ti and the FPR does the prime thing. I bought a back up FPR and the relay when installed didn't prime the system. I returned it and didn't reorder. Im hoping to find one at the P&P.
      This has happened to others but I haven't heard what the problem is. I'm trying to get one that a friend has left over from when he had an 84 Turbo.








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        fuel pump doesn't come on 200 1981

        Yes, that's right. That bit of a buzz we all call "prime" is a feature of the relay's circuit design. The designs have changed inside, and even though we are all used to expecting replacement parts to satisfy the requirements of fit, form, and function, the function of that 1-second burst of fuel pump has never been officially stated. Many assume it is to build the pressure before starting, but as Bruce notes, I have found with a gauge, the pressure is at max within one or two engine revolutions during cranking, even after a long sit. Some relay designs just don't include the first bzzt when you turn the key on. It is handy, if you know yours does it, to hear the pump before all the noise of cranking drowns it out.

        On the other hand, I don't know the experience of having a faulty accumulator. I suspect it may take a little longer than that 1-second buzz, or a couple revs cranking to fill that from empty.


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        Art Benstein near Baltimore

        A thief who stole a calendar got twelve months.







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