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AC 200 1989

Hello everyone. I have a question reguarding the AC in my 1989 244. A couple of weeks ago I had the AC freon (R12) evacuated, and refilled with the F12 freon. I'm in Arizona, during the day the AC will only cool down to 70 degrees. That's the coldest it will get at the vents.
Before getting it charged up, I knew it may not be the problem, but took my chances, and told the guy to give it a shot. $130 right there for the work performed.
My compressor seems to be fine, kicking on and off. I was told that the AC expansion valve could be the problem. Any ideas? I'm clueless when it comes to AC systems. Thank you.
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Michael Bilinski '89 244 DL








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    AC 200 1989

    All refrigerants are dangerous. Your system has to be evacuated first before expansion valve removel talk to the person that filled with f 12.








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    AC 200 1989

    My expansion valve was frozen solid no cold air after charging. Changed these cost about 60.00 autozone yours could be partially blocked.








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      AC 200 1989

      My car has the F12 freon in the system. If I took the expansion valve off to replace it with a new one, would it leak. I'm just asking as a safety issue. Is F12 dangerous stuff?
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      Michael Bilinski '89 244 DL








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        AC 200 1989

        Yes, Freon can be dangerous if released into a very confined area. It will displace the air. It will actually flow to the lowest point in that area because it is heavier than air. When I check for leaks, I sweep the floor boards below the evaporator coil, under seals and fittings. Let alone all around them.

        Yes, it can freeze the skin if some liquid gets on you or into your eyes.

        Yes, when Freon is burnt the burned the gas turns into mustard gas. If you breathe a good dose you may become nauseated. Freon is not explosive like a propane gas that was mentioned.

        As far as the expansion valve, you can not remove it without opening the system.
        Some expansion valves are adjustable from the outside. It is 50/50 chance that your car has one because they are more expensive. If it does, it will have a cap that is removable and the adjustment is under it. It can be done without opening the system. This is a sensitive adjustment. Not for amateurs.

        To set them properly a temperature measurement is taken at the last (tail) pipe of the evaporator and then another further down the pipe or suction pressure/ temperature reading. This setting is called a superheat adjustment. You are checking for the most liquid droplets at the end of the evaporator and then seeing that is flashes off properly, before getting back to the compressor, which will be the temperature difference. Usually 7 to 12 degrees of rise depending on system design. Only real savvy technicians get into tweaking. This is an advantage of an expansion valve system.

        70 degrees is not too bad. A specification of 55 to 60 at the center vent is more desirable. Whether this system can deliver it, is a subject that goes back a ways on these cars. The area of the country and a persons comfort level.

        What you may want to do is check the location/fitment of the sensing tube from the power head on the expansion valve. The power head has a gas inside it that reacts to the coldness of the coil and throttles the refrigerant. It should be located as close to the tail end of the evaporator. On the upper side of the tube at about the two "O" clock position. Compressor oil migrates in the gas on the bottom due to gravity. It must be fitting to the tube tightly to sense the tube. Insulated from air flow makes it more influenced by the liquid in the tube but not always possible.

        Relocating this may help flood the evaporator better and can be done without opening the system. I don't know if there is a provision for this adjustment but may be worth looking into with your A/C man or possibly experimenting with it if you are so inclined.

        Phil








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        AC 200 1989

        No F12 is not dangerous. It is a flammable gas that could be ignited if you were to suddenly vent near an open flame. The odds on that are about the same has making a disconnection of a propane tank from a cook stove. What you can't do is evacuate the coolant into a R12 recovery system, it will ruin the seals and contaminate the system. You will have to release the existing coolant some other method. A nice cool engine and no open flames are the only real precautions you need to take.

        What makes you think the expansion valve is the problem?

        Regards,

        Paul








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          AC 200 1989

          Hi Paul.. Thanks for the advice. I'm not sure the ac expansion valve really is the problem. I was only told that it may be the problem, so I was going to replace it, hoping it was. Do you have any further thoughts?
          This is besides the ac issue, but wanted to also thank you Paul for mentioning the "tropical fan clutch" from D. Barton. When I was having cooling problems. I took your advice, ordered one, installed.. it really gets the air flow going. I also mentioned your recommendation to D. Barton.

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          Michael Bilinski '89 244 DL








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            AC 200 1989

            Am I the only one who's replaced a regular fan clutch with the tropical fan clutch and seen absolutely no appreciable difference in air flow at all?

            As I understand it, the fluid in the tropical clutch allows the fan to spin at practically the same speed at the shaft in the engine, but there is no "whoosh" sound or insane "helicopter-like" air displacement around the engine. Things mostly are the same. I notice the fan is slightly louder. That's about it. Just wondering if I'm the only one.

            jason








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              AC 200 1989

              Jason, I bought the t. fan clutch because I needed a new one in the first place. Honestly, I don't know if it really works any better than the original one, or runs more often or faster. After I installed it, the engine did seem a little louder, but it was very easy to get used to.
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              Michael Bilinski '89 244 DL







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